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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Riku.. View Post
    For one, it's not just the customs that separates most of the old-gen members from new gen. Even members like Izuna, Roku, Zanji, etc. who have ridiculous customs could still easily handle more than most of the current RPers without using their customs.

    Second, you don't seriously think that the tests are now harder than they were back then, do you? Because they weren't. You're only telling half of the story by saying that you only fight one person. The other half is that that one person is the bio that you want to have while you're using a normal, customless bio. While that may be easy for Oonoki (who wasn't around then anyway btw), good luck fighting against a Nagato bio without access to anything really all that powerful. I'd much rather fight as Nagato against two people who he can easily handle against a tester who is actually trying to give you some leeway to show yours skill as opposed to fight against an experienced member using a Nagato bio who on the first turn goes all out to try and kill you. That's the main thing that makes the tests harder back then than they are now. The tester was seriously just going for the one move KO every turn. The Crutch using Nagato against Izuna with MS wasn't in the "old days" lol, that was. That was like a year ago when they were first trying to change the testing system if I remember. The actual old tests, like two years and before, were ridiculous. Not to mention the written test questions that barely even made any sense. ~_~
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.

    Quote Originally Posted by ~Yubel~ View Post
    Don´t agree with that, power aside, skill and talent is something any newbie can have + you don´t know too much about the current gen to make that claim. When we come back to the basics, suddently the game changes, it´s all about how you think and use your techniques, like a game of chess and people like the ones you mentioned are most probably very used to their customs and op techniques that most their fights don´t require much strategy or planning so when we go back to the basics in a situation like that logically they´d be at disadvantage
    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Ragnaroc, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase taijutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.

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    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by RokuNR View Post
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary

    Nah, don´t worry, i´ll get to it...tomorrow, promise gotta sleep now, bye.D
     
         
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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by RokuNR View Post
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary
    Amen . Roku is just awesome..
     
         

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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Ya know what I ain't even gonna attempt to quote that damned post T-T I died 4 times reading that thing

    but yeah Roku you were right on nearly all of that dude, but also back in late '08 to mid '09 was when the bio restrictions came down, custom bios began to flourish, custom curse marks were first explored, and all that jazz. It was fun, training people back then was also fun, it didn't feel like a hassle back then as it is today, we are not able to teach in the way we want to because of the mass amounts of rookies these days.

    But the main thing that has not changed over the years of the rp, is that strategists survive. Back then you didn't have mod's or admins decide the fate of fights back then, you and your opponent decided it, by who was left standing. let it be through arguments in the fights or in vm's, pm's or even msn. Shit got solved between each other. But the main thing that I liked about the newer changes is the limit to clones, back then you could create 100's of clones lol.

    But yeah as what Riku had stated, tests back in the day were harder, you had to prove yourself because your proctor was definitely out for your head. Hence the reason I am the way I am when I test people in bio tests, I know full well I am not supposed to try and kill you but I see that is the best way to prove your shit is if your able to put someone like that on the defensive.

    Anywhore.........nice post Roku too much to talk about from your post
     
         

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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by RokuNR View Post
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary
    m, more info about all days, NICE, THX A LOT
    Quote Originally Posted by Zanji View Post
    Ya know what I ain't even gonna attempt to quote that damned post T-T I died 4 times reading that thing

    but yeah Roku you were right on nearly all of that dude, but also back in late '08 to mid '09 was when the bio restrictions came down, custom bios began to flourish, custom curse marks were first explored, and all that jazz. It was fun, training people back then was also fun, it didn't feel like a hassle back then as it is today, we are not able to teach in the way we want to because of the mass amounts of rookies these days.

    But the main thing that has not changed over the years of the rp, is that strategists survive. Back then you didn't have mod's or admins decide the fate of fights back then, you and your opponent decided it, by who was left standing. let it be through arguments in the fights or in vm's, pm's or even msn. Shit got solved between each other. But the main thing that I liked about the newer changes is the limit to clones, back then you could create 100's of clones lol.

    But yeah as what Riku had stated, tests back in the day were harder, you had to prove yourself because your proctor was definitely out for your head. Hence the reason I am the way I am when I test people in bio tests, I know full well I am not supposed to try and kill you but I see that is the best way to prove your shit is if your able to put someone like that on the defensive.

    Anywhore.........nice post Roku too much to talk about from your post
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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanji View Post
    Ya know what I ain't even gonna attempt to quote that damned post T-T I died 4 times reading that thing

    but yeah Roku you were right on nearly all of that dude, but also back in late '08 to mid '09 was when the bio restrictions came down, custom bios began to flourish, custom curse marks were first explored, and all that jazz. It was fun, training people back then was also fun, it didn't feel like a hassle back then as it is today, we are not able to teach in the way we want to because of the mass amounts of rookies these days.

    But the main thing that has not changed over the years of the rp, is that strategists survive. Back then you didn't have mod's or admins decide the fate of fights back then, you and your opponent decided it, by who was left standing. let it be through arguments in the fights or in vm's, pm's or even msn. Shit got solved between each other. But the main thing that I liked about the newer changes is the limit to clones, back then you could create 100's of clones lol.

    But yeah as what Riku had stated, tests back in the day were harder, you had to prove yourself because your proctor was definitely out for your head. Hence the reason I am the way I am when I test people in bio tests, I know full well I am not supposed to try and kill you but I see that is the best way to prove your shit is if your able to put someone like that on the defensive.

    Anywhore.........nice post Roku too much to talk about from your post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kagutsuchi View Post
    Hmm , My List would be

    Active Rp-Wise


    In-Active RP-Wise

    Old Gen:

    Hellsbadass ( Gives me shivers )
    Izuna ( Water Monster )
    Goro ( Can kick ass with taijutsu and Earth )
    Kaze ( Pretty Bad-ass Rp-er )
    Uchiha Madara ( The Trio of Madara, Bisha and Zanji. He was Lighting Sage and Epic Rp Fighter )
    Bishamon ( No Need, He can Mind F&ck with Earth and his Strategical Combinations )
    Elias ( Orignal Fure Sage and my Rival, Skilled with Fire element and Creator of Dark Fire )
    Emperor ( He Kills with Sarcasm and Skill )
    Zanji ( He was Hellsbadass Killer, So you know <.< )
    Scary Yamato ( One of the First Wood element User beside Shodaime )
    Shodaime ( First Hokage Bio, Pretty Intense Rp Skills )
    Andy ( Lazy Ass, was not Interested in RP, Though when He did , He Did good as well )
    Roku ( Is the New Professor )
    Hiruzen Sarutobi ( Best Fanfic Writer and First Professor. He Really deserved the Name of 3rd Hokage and the Title of Professor. )
    Crutch ( I was not aware of his Skills, But In the war he fought on Par with Scary, though his Customs got him through, but then again Customs are the unique jutsu that gives you advantage )
    Zenryoku ( Student of Goro along with me, He has the best Custom Making Mind as well as Taijutsu Utilizing Mind Ever. Even Surpasses Goro IMO)
    Caliburn ( He doesn't Rp much, But I can Bet a Million Bucks that He is top tier. Rp Requires analyzing Skills which He has the Most. Even more than Bishamon and Lili )
    Liliana ( Newbie Not very old gen, but her skills and strategies are Awesome. She plays with active Mind )
    Xylon ( Junior to Me, But I respect his RP skills Very Much. He has gained some much in
    so little time. He is most definitely the Top-Tier Rp-er )
    Gatsndshanks ( Another Lazy ass Genius, When He Did Rp He would Kick-ass. Sadly He has Quit as well )
    Anbu Kakashi ( Very Old, Very Good at Rp-ing )
    Naruto.. ( One of the Orignal Naruto bio user, along with Kakashi's Bio. He had pretty slick Sage Mode Customs )
    -Naruto Uzumaki- ( Another Top-Tier Rp-er, On the Level of SY, Bishamon, Zanji, Izuna and Goro )
    Lara ( My First sensei, Rp'ed very less but had Crazy skills, Got Vivek )
    Mugiwara ( Underestimated, Kicked ass in War with Customs. He uses that underestimation to his advantage ) .
    Devlin ( First Asuma Bio, First of the 12 Ninja Guardian )
    Akiza ( Among the Strongest Female Rp-ers On NB. )
    Captain Kenpachi ( Oh Man, he was a Maniac Just like Bleach's Kenpachi , Brutal and Raw Power )
    Archie ( A.K.A Noobinator, He literally targeted Noobs and Killed them )
    Alucard ( Bad-Ass Rp-er, He is in Competition with Goro in using Earth Style Techs )
    Riku ( Wall'o'Texter, Explained his moves like he is in Court, Kept every aspect of Battle In Mind )
    Ace ( Name was Ace, Was Fond of Rubber, another High Level Rp-er )
    Rag ( Known as Lizard/Dragon, He is Proficient Mangekyo Sharingan user as well as Wind Element , His Inspiration is Lighting Tiger from Veritas :D )
    Nero ( I am adding him against all Odds, Known for his Rivaling skills in Bad Grammar and English against Theos, He has got some RP Skills and a Madara Bio which Enables him to Win against People *Cough* EMS *Cough* )
    Axle ( Pretty Good Rp-er, Shodaime's Student )
    Lord Danzo ( Smooth Rp-er, Doesn't Argue. Thinks his Moves through , Lacks Op'edness )
    Chiryoku ( I don't Know much About his RP style, But People consider him a Bad-ass Rp-er )
    Sinister ( Among the first Few to have a Pain Bio , Talented Rp-er )
    Lord Of Kaos ( Another Taijutsu Specialist, From 2nd-3rd Gen )
    ~Hasashi~ ( , Very talented. Has Quit )
    Benazz ( If I remember Correctly, He was the 3rd Zetsu User and Pretty good one at that)
    Kiwii ( I totally Forgot him, Insect User ( Oringal Aburame ), He was a Vey skilled User of Insects )
    Kirabi ( Hmm, Hard One to put. Raw Power. Makes Silly mistakes which gets him killed , Very Enthusiastic )
    Mizutoki ( I don't know him, nor his fighting style. But My seniors respected his RP Skills. )
    Pesh ( Orignal Obito Of NB.)
    Nemesis ( Another Great Oldie, He has Disappeared, though His Rp Skills were pretty Good. )
    Nadare ( Silaat Taijuts Creater, Is Back !!. )
    Kagutsuchi (The Fire sage and one of the greatest wielders of fire out there)
    Sasuke08 ( Another Rp-er from Old Gen )
    Toku (A great earth user and SNK master, he can easily outshine most earth users from his generation and the new one)
    KeotsuEclipse One the greatest Kenjutsu users going and a top notch close combat specialist



    Now for New Gen:
    1. Gobi ( If He keeps this up, He'll be in the Above list )
    2. Minato ( I have heard and observed alot, but have yet to experience it on my own )
    3. Pervy ( Heavily Underestimated and He underestimates Himself. Else he can beat most members of his Gen.
    4. Jinbei ( another Underestimated Person, People don't say much about. But in honesty I have seen pretty great fights from him.
    5. Akisha ( Zen's Sempai ( If I am not Wrong ) ) .
    6. Perry ( Good Rp-ing Skills, Lacks Concentration else He spots weakness In opponents very Quickly )
    7. TSSB ( I don't know how I forgot him, But he is a Top-Tier in His Gen as well )
    8. Dei Dei ( He is among the few that prefer taijustu in new Gen, Decent Rp-er )
    9. Hattori Hanzou ( Another Person from New Generation, who has impressed with his RP skills )
    10. Gin-san (a great strategist, capable of interesting and dangerous combos by taking advantage of every aspect and detail of the battle, great Kenjutsu user and a dangerous minato wielder)
    11. Wesobi (A clean, fun opponent. Makes intelligent clean moves and plays it safe. Gives for fun matches and isn't prone to arguments)

    Pathetic Rp-ers:
    1. Theos


    Exclusions:
    1. Rei
    2. Nexus
    3. Versuvio ( He is not a Rp-er ) Stop sucking up to him. He has Op'ed Jutsu <.< and I love him >.>
    4. Bianca
    5. Mad Max


    List Will Keep Getting Updates, Post who you think should Be Included.
    Oh my..........so many of them!!!!!!
    Just love it
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by RokuNR View Post
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanji View Post
    Ya know what I ain't even gonna attempt to quote that damned post T-T I died 4 times reading that thing

    but yeah Roku you were right on nearly all of that dude, but also back in late '08 to mid '09 was when the bio restrictions came down, custom bios began to flourish, custom curse marks were first explored, and all that jazz. It was fun, training people back then was also fun, it didn't feel like a hassle back then as it is today, we are not able to teach in the way we want to because of the mass amounts of rookies these days.

    But the main thing that has not changed over the years of the rp, is that strategists survive. Back then you didn't have mod's or admins decide the fate of fights back then, you and your opponent decided it, by who was left standing. let it be through arguments in the fights or in vm's, pm's or even msn. Shit got solved between each other. But the main thing that I liked about the newer changes is the limit to clones, back then you could create 100's of clones lol.

    But yeah as what Riku had stated, tests back in the day were harder, you had to prove yourself because your proctor was definitely out for your head. Hence the reason I am the way I am when I test people in bio tests, I know full well I am not supposed to try and kill you but I see that is the best way to prove your shit is if your able to put someone like that on the defensive.

    Anywhore.........nice post Roku too much to talk about from your post
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    Quote Originally Posted by RokuNR View Post
    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary


    Beautifully put Roku-sempai il note that i was more taijutsu revolutionary than kenjutsu =3 as per the creation of NB taijutsu which originally was of my own personal collection. I will also add few extra parts

    Some of the changes that occured for the better diversity of the roleplay began with the expansion of the NB jutsulist, which in my oppinion before me and hells started work on it back in about 0ctober 09 when i was sensei/moderator it was limited and i was only then when i became upcoming as i managed to attain myself the first Uchiha Madara biography since the legend Uchiha Madara himself and as you said other members becoming dominant and taking over in terms of the skillfull but thats also shows the nature of the next generation overcoming the old though in some cases not always shown in NB history but yeh xD

    in general what i feel are the key aspects to someone being a skillful and top teir roleplayer is the following:

    - Experience
    - Knowledge and understanding of techniques and situations
    - The ability to openly accept defeat without arguements of technicality of fault (not meaning technicality of use of situations like lava giving off sulpur or explosions causing side effects from shock)
    - Not having a reliability of customs and Forbidden and in general high level techniques.
    - The useage of variety of the lower ranks over main use of A - S ranks but keeping it diverse

     
         

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    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary
    Alright so i have read everything now.
    It was a pleasure reading this, very interesting to know about the different periods of rp which forms the basis for today, thank you for taking the time to post this and it was very much worth it, will stop alot of complaining, this really put things into perspective and you´re completely right +rep.
     
         

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    read whole wallie gone blind . but i now see that things were euqally tough for the old gen as it was for the new gen. * hopes to one day be a name mentioned in the fith period *
     
         

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    *wonders what generation i am*

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    *wonders what generation i am*

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    4th or 3rd 2010 generation

    me i am 2011 generation we are slowly raiseing up tp power we shall be senseis soon D:<
     
         

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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

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    Ah, sensei tests back in the day.
    Yeah, it was probably a bit more difficult to become a sensei back then because the tester expected you to display your skill in spite of being attacked with the intent to kill. And during said tests, only canon techniques were allowed with little-to-no exceptions. I caused Nero to fail his sensei test after killing him in about one or two moves (and that was using only canon jutsu).

    Honestly, a lot of the newer members should take heed of Riku's words, as he was a rather firm understanding of NarutoBase RP and its history. It's not to say that older members are better than the newer members, which is often the misconception. The main point is, however, is that us older members have experience and thus knowledge and wisdom that we can pass on to the newer generation. Claiming arrogance of those who are simply trying to set straight any misconceptions or give their input does not make you any better than the ones you are disparaging. I will elaborate.



    Allow me to enunciate (or enumerate, whichever you prefer) what I believe Riku failed to properly express verbally to you, and in doing so, I will try my best to clear up common misconceptions people have about the old generation of the RP.

    Firstly, the problem with the above argument is that it is built around the assumption that the older generation rely primarily on their OP customs, if they still have them, and that their customs are the primary source of their ability rather than their skill. Allow me to break this down into two simple explanations.

    First of all, you seem to be forgetting that members do not suddenly obtain random abilities. Before older members were able to even acquire the customs they now have, they had to first acquire a level of skill sufficient for them to even know how to properly use such abilities. While this is a rather fundamental and seemingly inconsequential argument, it still almost always holds true no matter how strong a member may be perceived to be. One cannot rise to the top and possess mediocre skill. Spammers without natural talent for strategy and quick thinking are easily put down (and so it was in those days that they were just as easily shot down).

    The second point I will iterate on the subject of the simple explanations is not actually as "simple" as I originally stated. The most important thing you must understand, however, and the fact that MANY newer members neglect during their verbal battles attacking the prospect of the NB RP system tending to favor older members, is that the "modern" (and I say modern because it is not truly modern in NB historical terms but rather forms the basis upon which the RP system today is heavily set) NarutoBase RP as we know it is over 4 years old. A good bit of the newer members that make assumptions regarding "the old days" in general terms usually make a hasty generalization, grouping a specific period of time in NarutoBase history with the rest of the old days before it and thus attribute some form of equivlance to periods of time in NarutoBase RP history that may have actually been vastly dissimilar. So, then, I will distribute NarutoBase history into several smaller periods of time and elaborate on them individually, keeping in mind that I will be paying specific attention to and putting most emphasis on periods 3 (a period which many of the older members try to ignore/forget for reasons that I will not really go into, but members who were around during that time will fully understand) and 4.

    Period 1 consisted of the NarutoBase RP age from April 2008 to September 2008. Most members should understand the significance of April as a starting point as it was the month of the creation of this CURRENT site that we all religiously log on to. In the very early days of April and May, the RP was highly under development and then, formatted jutsu did not even exist in the form they do today (it would not be until either Later June that such template-based jutsu were fully incorporated into the RP system. Please do check me on this, Zanji. I'm pretty sure this is correct, but you may remember this better than me considering you were a moderator in those days). The RP, including Battle, Training, and just simple Role-Playing in general truly kicked off in during this period, however, and it was especially active from June to September (i.e. formation of military groups such as the Hidden Rain, Higure, ect.). It is during this period of time that we will have such icons as BishamonSama, Hellsbadass, Madara Uchiha, Zanji Uchiha, and Elias (otherwise known as the symbolic epitome of the original Elemental Sages) dominate the RP system. You also had other legendary members such as Shodaime, Anbu Kakashi, MOS, Tom, Bianca, Akira Hoshiko (Hisakata/Kiyoshi, whatever you want to go by), Captain Kenpachi, and even Akiza (then known as KakashiThunder). It is also around this time (and into periods 2 and even 3, to a lesser extent) that Skye and I received our training from these legends. This was perhaps the most difficult time to be a noob in the RP because the difference between newer RPers and the already-established Role-Players was so colossal, so vast, that a newbie could not possibly hope to defeat a stronger RP member, customs or no. It was either you raped in battle or you were raped in battle. No amount of skill could change that at such an early point in the RP, and it doesn't help that the top RPers were all more or less excellent strategists without their customs anyway (might I also add that there were severe restrictions on the number of customs one could possess, though customs then could be quite a bit more powerful than they are now, so the point is rather null). However, this was only the first period.

    I will now move on to the second period, which consisted of the months October 2008 to March 2009. This period was rather pivotal, most specifically because it served as a transitional period--a period of experimentation involving the limits of the NarutoBase role-play system in as a whole. It was during this period that the RP continued to flourish even more-so than before, much larger scale battles and wars took place, and Battles became much more complex. Now, here is where the issue with overpowered customs comes into play. The problem will not truly escalate until period three, but for now, period 2 represented a significant growth in custom jutsu submission process, RP innovation, and creativity. It is during this period of time that you will see the rise of pivotal figures in the NarutoBase RP such as Goro, Scary Yamato, Emperor, Izuna, Raiden/Jack, Devlin, Ace, and Kyle (and later on you will get people like Gatsndshanks, Hasashi, and Liliana). These people will be trained not only by the best RPers of the day, but their main training focus will not be primarily that of simply learning techniques but rather learning HOW to use techniques. This will be the birth of a generation that revolutionizes skillful usage of jutsu on this site. Unlike many other members of other generations, their rise to power in the RP was based in skill. Pay close attention to this group, as they will form the foundations of Period 3, which is IMO the most important period in understanding the true struggle of understanding the OPness of the "old days" as so many members inaccurately term it.

    Now, we move to Period 3 which I would like to place between March 2009 and September/October 2009 (though you could just as easily set the range of this period to span the entirety of 2009, depending on how you view it). This is, ultimately, the period which most newer members refer to when describing the overpowered-ness of the "old days," even though they do so unconsciously. While this period did indeed mark an era of severe OPness in CJ-making, it is also one of the most misunderstood eras of NarutoBase's RP history, which I would attribute above all to the fact that it is the period that older members steer away from in conversation, and if we do mention it, we do not do so with much specificity. It was during this period of time that NarutoBase underwent several major changes in the RP, including the systematic incorporation of Custom Elements into the RP and therefore the creation of the Custom Elements Bureau. The limits on the number of customs also increased to about 30 and all previous customs from Periods 1 and 2(?) had to be resubmitted due to the new rules and restrictions. Period 3 is when we have the ascension of the previously mentioned members from Period 2 into the ranks as the Top RPers (this period was dominated by members such as Izuna, Myself, Goro, Ace, Raiden, Devlin, and the previous Legends of Period 1). While this period did see a significant rise in the complexity of custom jutsu (the likes of which had never been seen before) and creativity and specialization overall which truly made each RPer unique and iconic in their own right, it also saw exploitation of the RP system to further the cause of creating extremely powerful RPers with ridiculously powerful arsenals. Essentially, the Top RPers became gods, capable of being beaten only by one another. In effect, there was a lock (and it will become clear why momentarily) in the bridging of the power gap between stronger members and weaker members. Why did this happen, you may ask? Simple: because of the rather controversial revolution of the NarutoBase Role-Playing System, which I was notably against, even among the moderator community, that took place during this period of time and lasted throughout a good chunk of the year 2009. In effect, the entire ranking system of the RP and in turn truly demanded the utmost skill from lower ranking members to actually advance through the ranks, along with restrictions on biographies and terms of CJ and CE submission [it is during this time that certain members will begin the trend of creating Gates rip-offs and extremely overpowered modes (i.e. Killzone lol)], and due to this system, a MINIMAL (and I do mean MINIMAL, as in no more than 20) amount of people actually retained the highest rank (Kage) in the system. This "aristocracy" essentially continued to dominate the RP and were, in effect, unstoppable. While we were the crème de la crème skillwise, a few members that were equally as skilled RPers got the shaft by being ranked lower than us. It is not to say that we did not have tons of fun, but I cannot justify the maintenance of the system during such a period of time, as it was unfair overall. So, many members who state that members from the old days possessed powerful customs are correct in this regard, but to state that we became complacent and would not have performed well enough without our customs is incorrect. Allow me to explain why. During this time, a lot of the "aristocracy" or the Top RPers became rather bored with just basic Battle Arena fights, so we started tournaments for fun, and eventually, members like Jack and Goro would initiate the idea of having canon-only battles for sport, and it became such a popular and intense practice that it evolved (or devolved, if you please) into somewhat of a blood-sport in which people were determined to prove their intellectual and strategic prowess over simple custom jutsu usage (which still require proper skill to use effectively). It even became common that custom matches were derided in place of canon-only matches, as the latter seemed much more interesting and fair overall. In the end, the philosophy was that if you were going to lose an RP battle, it would be because of your lack of skill and not because of your lack of [proper] customs. Eventually, tension grew to a devastating extent which I will not get into, as it is a VERY long story, and the Post-Ranking System returned to NarutoBase. The majority of the members of the previous "aristocracy" of Period 3 became inactive for reasons you'll have to ask around to find out.

    Now then, I will go through Period 4 rather quickly, and it is the last period I will spend my time on in depth because after period 4, we enter into more or less the current RP age which has essentially lasted from 2011 to the present day (give or take a few changes, none which were big enough to truly separate certain months into distinct periods of their own). Period 4 would take place from Fall 2009 to the end of 2010. It was during this time (but not until very close to the end of 2009) that NarutoBase RP ushered in the rapid growth of the bio system. This is when we begin to have MAJOR biography upgrades and inherent special abilities attributed to each persons in the RP system (which I believe, to some extent resulted in a lack of individuality in the RP system ability-wise). It is also during this time that Medical Bios became a major prospect, Gates were possessed by nearly every prospective RPer ~_~', and the dreaded Eye Transplants were practiced (resulting in super OPed persons, including our beloved Gatsy, who is still an excellent RPer regardless of his custom abilities). The members that truly dominated this era were the new generation of Period 3, which were Hasashi, Gatsndshanks, Liliana, Ali, Caliburn, Xylon (formerly DS) Zenryoku (who revolutionized NarutoBase kenjutsu forever, bless his heart), and Crutch, along with the remaining oldies such as Goro and I. Once the eye-transplant system is removed and other bio-stacking opportunities and abilities repealed, however, NarutoBase history eventually leads into the present-day era. The issue with bios, to be honest, has not yet ended in my honest opinion, as I personally believe that bio abilities have been heavily exploited since 2010 to today, and such is not likely to end until the end of NarutoBase itself. It is a situation that I tentatively allow to continue about its business due simply to the natures of progress and time.

    You may ask, then, how is it that today's system is anywhere near as lenient and opportunistic as the old days. You must, however, factor in that with each set of restrictions that currently exist on NarutoBase today, there are also many more privileges offered to the common member simply because of the progress of the Narutobase RP system and the Naruto manga itself. The old days (referring specifically to Periods 1-3), for example, did not have even 1/4 of the prospective biographies available to members today (i.e. Mei Terumi, Madara Uchiha, Darui, Raikage, Onoki, Mu, Minato, Nagato, Pain Rikudo until the late Period 3, Zetsu, ect.). All kinds of abilities are available as well, including special elements that were once almost completely inaccessible (i.e. Sound, the 4 Movie KGs, ect.). The CJ limit is also significantly greater than it was in the old days, and there are even Custom Mangekyo Sharingans to be had by members. And don't get me started on the Bijuu. I am not saying that today's system is more unfair than the system of the past, but rather I wish to convey to you all the opportunities and prospective routes which the RP system offers you in this day and age of NarutoBase, a majority of which were never even fathomable in the old days and therefore personal innovation was necessary. So, do not underestimate the older members. After all, we laid the foundation for the new generations and in many cases, we trained a whole lot of you as well as the best RPers of several other generations. Take the quote "A Tree Shall be Known by its Fruit" as example, and you will see exactly why the older generation is sufficiently confident in our ability. Believe it or not, we know what we're talking about.

    Of course, all of this is subject to...well, subjectivity. However, there is no reason to complain about how difficult it is to make a name for yourself in the current RP system. Today's RP system is much easier, in my opinion, to advance in, especially since we have dedicated members who are willing to pass on their timeless wisdom and knowledge to the newer generation in hopes that they will learn from our previous mistakes and make the best of what they have now. That is all I have left to say on the matter.



    This much is very true. Much of the current generation shows great promise, and the new generation of today will likely rise to be the top RPers of tomorrow.

    Sorry for the wallie ._. It was necessary
    This was a great read. Although one thing I would like to add is that there was one major fundamental difference in the rules back around period 2 if im remembering correctly. That being that you have to defend from ALL of the jutsu and you could just move out of the way and suddenly you were safe. I believe the tactic of "interupting" the sequence of attacks, didnt start until period 4 and this is when the battle fields were filled with time-frame error complaints.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scary Yamato View Post
    This was a great read. Although one thing I would like to add is that there was one major fundamental difference in the rules back around period 2 if im remembering correctly. That being that you have to defend from ALL of the jutsu and you could just move out of the way and suddenly you were safe. I believe the tactic of "interupting" the sequence of attacks, didnt start until period 4 and this is when the battle fields were filled with time-frame error complaints.

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    4th or 3rd 2010 generation

    me i am 2011 generation we are slowly raiseing up tp power we shall be senseis soon D:<
    i am actually more of a 2011 generation as well

    this is my first approved bio, SEE? but if we would talk about first not approved bio, that would make me still 2011 generation, SEE and SEE?
     
         

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    Re: NB's Greatest RP-Fighters.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scary Yamato View Post
    This was a great read. Although one thing I would like to add is that there was one major fundamental difference in the rules back around period 2 if im remembering correctly. That being that you have to defend from ALL of the jutsu and you could just move out of the way and suddenly you were safe. I believe the tactic of "interupting" the sequence of attacks, didnt start until period 4 and this is when the battle fields were filled with time-frame error complaints.

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    It´s been a while i´ve since anyone has really complained about it, it appears most have learned by now.
     
         

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    What generation would I be if I started in 2012?
     
         

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    5th gen, i started at the same time made my first bio februari 2012.
     
         

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    ._. Dang Roku. After reading that, I just want to hang my sword up for good. <_<" Guess it has changed tremendously since it first began.
     
         

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    It´s been a while i´ve since anyone has really complained about it, it appears most have learned by now.
    how do i make one of those link?
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    5th gen, i started at the same time made my first bio februari 2012.
    no 2012 is 6th end of 2010 to end of 2011 is 5th gen the gen of complainers that didin't get trainign 6th gen has yet to make a name for themselfs
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Haku Yuki- View Post
    how do i make one of those link?
    no 2012 is 6th end of 2010 to end of 2011 is 5th gen the gen of complainers that didin't get trainign 6th gen has yet to make a name for themselfs
    Google it.
    We should count the generations in years, end 2011 untill around june i think has been 5th gen.
    Seriously, roku should make a sticky thread of his post where we define every generation.
     
         

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