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    CONCLUSIVE PROOF - Obito is not tobi

    First off, each MS has a distinct power.
    For example, Kakashi's is the Kamui ( send other objects into other dimension), Itachi's is easy genjutsu and Madara's is space time teleportation ( different from Kamui since he teleports himself over space/time ). From Itachi, we know that both MS of a person has same power. If Kakashi took his Sharingan from Obito, then the power of the other MS of Obito is also Kamui. But since each MS can only use one specialty, Tobi can't be Obito.
    ( Please note; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi are not what I'm talking about so dont consider them.)
     
         

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    Finally. Hopefully, this will immediately cancel out the ridiculous Obito/Tobi theory that everyone's been so indulged in for so long.
     
         

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    I agree with you about Tobi not being Obito, but people re going to come back and say that each eyes can have different techniques, andthey will use itachi as an example. At first I was thinking I cant not use itachi as an example. he used Amaterasu with one eye and Tsukuyomi with the other. I thought that was a perfect example of each eye having a different technique, but then I remembered Susano'o which he used BOTH eyes for. This led me to beleive that he only used a particular eye to help channel the power and slow down the process of the deterrioration of the eyes. if you only use one eye for a technique then you only lose vision is that one eye over time. This helps bring some clearity to the point. If Obito was Tobi, then Kakashi's technique would be related to Tobi's but its not. If you do some research on Amaterasu you would see that all of itachis attacks are related.
    Background on Amaterasu
    Kakashi's attack is nthing like tobi's techniques, as stated above.
    Kakashi: sends things to other dimensions
    Tobi: move at light speed and apparently can decontruct his body so objects pass right through

    Thanks for helping to clear this up
     
         

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    time/space (or spacetime) is actually directly related to dimensional theories. in physics time is considered the 4th dimension and then it gets into all 11 dimensions and string theories and all that. y'know, the beginning of everything type of stuff. so if kishi did his homework, and he always does, then kakashi's dimensional jutsu is probably just one of the jutsus in the time/space arsenal. kakashi is in no way a master. for all we know tobi started off his time/space training by ripping holes in the fabric of time and space just like kakashi.
     
         

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    kinda like creating worm holes to travel in time and give the appearance of light speed ???? I still dont think "Madara" is Obito, but your point does give light to the fact that in a small way kakashi and "madara"s MS techniques are somewhat related
     
         

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    Ehhh... I've never thoght that Obito was Tobi.. but you have to realize that Tobi and Kakashi's sharingan abilities are very very much alike.. but at the same time, Obito's other eye wouldn't be able to use Kamui.. since Itachi's left eye could only use Tsukuyomi and his right eye Amaterasu..

    Also, did you really just say (don't bring up Itachi's MS to counter my theory) ......
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scary Yamato View Post
    kinda like creating worm holes to travel in time and give the appearance of light speed ???? I still dont think "Madara" is Obito, but your point does give light to the fact that in a small way kakashi and "madara"s MS techniques are somewhat related
    thanks. yes, someone could open up a personal worm hole and travel great distances in and instant. i'm really not trying to sway anyone in one direction just throwing out some info. one could also argue that naruto's attack went through tobi because tobi was able to send that part of his body to another dimension at the instant naruto would've hit him so it looked like naruto went right through him. after that kakashi recognized it as a superior time/space jutsu. i will say the similarities in kakashi's dimensional abilities and tobi's time/space abilities could point to their sharingans coming from the same body. just a possibility.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xero View Post
    Ehhh... I've never thoght that Obito was Tobi.. but you have to realize that Tobi and Kakashi's sharingan abilities are very very much alike.. but at the same time, Obito's other eye wouldn't be able to use Kamui.. since Itachi's left eye could only use Tsukuyomi and his right eye Amaterasu..

    Also, did you really just say (don't bring up Itachi's MS to counter my theory) ......
    No, I stated that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are jutsus, not special MS techniques.
    BTW< if you liked my theory, click the egg. ( do it even if you didnt like my hteory, ok?)
     
         

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    In that sense, Kamui and Tobi's "LOL U MISSED" abilities are jutsus as well.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    First off, each MS has a distinct power.
    For example, Kakashi's is the Kamui ( send other objects into other dimension), Itachi's is easy genjutsu and Madara's is space time teleportation ( different from Kamui since he teleports himself over space/time )...
    i think that that was just some kind of specialisation as a result of their training. we saw itachi using his genjutsus easiely without his ms, and about madara we know that he wasn't using the ms the whole time of the fight when he used his ts-jutsus. kakashi instead has to activate his ms to use this t-s-jutsi.
    however, i don't think that madara uses otobi's body/eye (cause otobi was much to weak to be interesting)
    a hint that he may not be tobi is this pic where he looks pretty much like the old madara who fought the 1rst, and it's from after otobi's dead. sadly, you can't see his face, cause it's behind a mask. (the right one on the top)
    http://www.narutobase.net/Gallery/Na...00/09.png.html
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    No, I stated that Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi are jutsus, not special MS techniques.
    BTW< if you liked my theory, click the egg. ( do it even if you didnt like my hteory, ok?)
    But they are MS techniques.

    Tsukuyomi


    Amaterasu


    Proof that they are MS abilities


    give reps for the research
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    First off, each MS has a distinct power.
    For example, Kakashi's is the Kamui ( send other objects into other dimension), Itachi's is easy genjutsu and Madara's is space time teleportation ( different from Kamui since he teleports himself over space/time ). From Itachi, we know that both MS of a person has same power. If Kakashi took his Sharingan from Obito, then the power of the other MS of Obito is also Kamui. But since each MS can only use one specialty, Tobi can't be Obito.
    ( Please note; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi are not what I'm talking about so dont consider them.)
    im sorry bro but u are wrong on so many levels.......im not gonna post link cuz i blieve this to be common knowledge.............

    1-its stated that nin jutsu comes from right eye and ninjutsu th left.........kakashi uses kamui w/ left eye& u can find several instances where only the left eye bleeds when itachi activates amaterasu

    2-itachi himself states that upon that day "meaning the day he obtained ms by killing shisui" that 3 jutsus were born tsukuyomi,amaterasu,and susano

    3- we have not seen madara's ms or its abilities.......if he even has ms........not saying he doesn't

    4-sasuke can now use amaterasu *with his own ms* not the auto activating amaterasu itachi gave him........and on that note,the only thing we have to go off of is madara saying itachi gave u all his dojutsu..........i think we all know madara is always lying his ass off! so that statement doent hold much water

    5-check and mate bro........or in shougi terms "i have taken your king!!" lol

    hope this puts an end to the debate until we find out more info bout the subject
     
         

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    i personaly dont think madara took over obitos body either ,but in fact madara and kakashi's ms abilities could be proof that in fact madara did take over obitos body and in doing so he not only got the ability to send things to various locations by creating a extra dimension but himself as well in almost an instant..it also may explain how he deflected sasuke's ameratsu at such close range, or he simly put out the flame like sasuke did. I dont know if im right or not its just a suggestion so wut do u guys think
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssanimo View Post
    im sorry bro but u are wrong on so many levels.......im not gonna post link cuz i blieve this to be common knowledge.............

    1-its stated that nin jutsu comes from right eye and ninjutsu th left.........kakashi uses kamui w/ left eye& u can find several instances where only the left eye bleeds when itachi activates amaterasu

    2-itachi himself states that upon that day "meaning the day he obtained ms by killing shisui" that 3 jutsus were born tsukuyomi,amaterasu,and susano

    3- we have not seen madara's ms or its abilities.......if he even has ms........not saying he doesn't

    4-sasuke can now use amaterasu *with his own ms* not the auto activating amaterasu itachi gave him........and on that note,the only thing we have to go off of is madara saying itachi gave u all his dojutsu..........i think we all know madara is always lying his ass off! so that statement doent hold much water

    5-check and mate bro........or in shougi terms "i have taken your king!!" lol

    hope this puts an end to the debate until we find out more info bout the subject
    Your whole theory seems to be about amaterasu......
    Thats a ninjutsu any MS can use, not a specailty
    So, in shougi terms, " Illegal move!"
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    Your whole theory seems to be about amaterasu......
    Thats a ninjutsu any MS can use, not a specailty
    So, in shougi terms, " Illegal move!"
    no each MS user has unique pattern to their eyes and has own unique set of MS jutsu. kakashi has MS, but he cant do amaterasu. while itachi cant open portal and vanish things like kakashi.
     
         

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    yes so in effect you agree with my first post.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tenzu View Post
    Finally. Hopefully, this will immediately cancel out the ridiculous Obito/Tobi theory that everyone's been so indulged in for so long.
    thanks dude!
     
         

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    no each MS user has unique pattern to their eyes and has own unique set of MS jutsu. kakashi has MS, but he cant do amaterasu. while itachi cant open portal and vanish things like kakashi.
    yes so in effect you agree with my first post.
    haha classic


    Tobi still uses space/time techniques as shown by kakashi stating he does (though this admittedly doesnt mean 100% he is using space/time, but theres a high chance he is given kakashi uses space/time himself and is a super genius, so you can take his words to be correct most of the time)

    Though tbh, all mangekyous have space/time

    Itachis tsukyomi changes space and time so that 1 second feels like 72 hours if he wants to, that is a space/time ninjutsu/genjutsu attack

    That really is an awesome and fearsome nin/genjutsu by itachi, no wonder he loved using it against his enemies LOL.

    ****** hasnt used his MS enough to know what ones he has and has not got.


    I dont care what anyone says, madara is a super genius strong ass shinobi, as a result i doubt heavily he would decide to take over the body of a half crushed ****, than free pickings of the uchiha clan given that when obito was alive the uchiha werent wiped out then, itachi wasnt even born then, so why would a super powerful shinobi want that half dead carcass when he had many skilled uchiha at his disposal.

    And dont anyone say any bullshit about concealing his identity, hes the mizukage for crying out loud, if he can hide as a LEADER of an entire country, im sure one dead uchiha isnt going to suddenly make everyone slap there forehead and go "oh its obviously madara who died 70 years ago, its so obvious now hes taken an uchihas body!"


    In actual fact itd be a lot better for him to take another uchiha and remain acting the same so he can then act as a spy and retaliate, but instead he picks a half dead kid who konoha has put down as dead so now he can never show his face.

    If madara really does turn out to be obito-wow, what a retarded ninja.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink View Post
    haha classic


    Tobi still uses space/time techniques as shown by kakashi stating he does (though this admittedly doesnt mean 100% he is using space/time, but theres a high chance he is given kakashi uses space/time himself and is a super genius, so you can take his words to be correct most of the time)

    Though tbh, all mangekyous have space/time

    Itachis tsukyomi changes space and time so that 1 second feels like 72 hours if he wants to, that is a space/time ninjutsu/genjutsu attack

    That really is an awesome and fearsome nin/genjutsu by itachi, no wonder he loved using it against his enemies LOL.

    ****** hasnt used his MS enough to know what ones he has and has not got.


    I dont care what anyone says, madara is a super genius strong ass shinobi, as a result i doubt heavily he would decide to take over the body of a half crushed ****, than free pickings of the uchiha clan given that when obito was alive the uchiha werent wiped out then, itachi wasnt even born then, so why would a super powerful shinobi want that half dead carcass when he had many skilled uchiha at his disposal.

    And dont anyone say any bullshit about concealing his identity, hes the mizukage for crying out loud, if he can hide as a LEADER of an entire country, im sure one dead uchiha isnt going to suddenly make everyone slap there forehead and go "oh its obviously madara who died 70 years ago, its so obvious now hes taken an uchihas body!"


    In actual fact itd be a lot better for him to take another uchiha and remain acting the same so he can then act as a spy and retaliate, but instead he picks a half dead kid who konoha has put down as dead so now he can never show his face.

    If madara really does turn out to be obito-wow, what a retarded ninja.
    youve put the matter in a nutshell.( more or less )
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    First off, each MS has a distinct power.
    For example, Kakashi's is the Kamui ( send other objects into other dimension), Itachi's is easy genjutsu and Madara's is space time teleportation ( different from Kamui since he teleports himself over space/time ). From Itachi, we know that both MS of a person has same power. If Kakashi took his Sharingan from Obito, then the power of the other MS of Obito is also Kamui. But since each MS can only use one specialty, Tobi can't be Obito.
    ( Please note; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi are not what I'm talking about so dont consider them.)
    just have 2 wait and See tobi could B not madra nor obito nor Danzo @ all
    just like we thought the akastuki leader was the 4th hokage ?
     
         

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    I really wouldn't call it conclusive proof. But also, we havn't seen Madara/Tobi use an MS have we? When he was going all over the place with his teleporting, we didn't see his eye.

    But also, if Kakashi had more control over his MS (ie. if he was Uchiha) then maybe he would be able to teleport individual parts to other dimensions and not cause them harm. Or what if it depends on the user that ACQUIRES the MS. When he got Obito's eye, kakashi didn't have MS, he acquired it later so later on Obito may have acquired it in a different way if he were Tobi.

    Now, I don't necessarily agree that Obito is Tobi/Madara but this isn't really conclusive proof.
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    yes so in effect you agree with my first post.
    ya i agree with ur first post (except for the reasoning why tobi cant be obito). but i just disagreed with ur other post, thats what i qouted.

    Quote Originally Posted by twistedlink
    haha classic
    ha ha..classic lack of observation indeed...
     
         
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    someone's touchy........
     
         

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    No emperor of water hes just a ****, if anyone disagrees with him he starts acting all superior, and then says the person hes arguing against is actually the **** acting superior.

    I mean come on, its a guy whos s/n is "6th hokage"

    How lame and obvious is his need of superiority?
     
         

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emperor of Water View Post
    First off, each MS has a distinct power.
    For example, Kakashi's is the Kamui ( send other objects into other dimension), Itachi's is easy genjutsu and Madara's is space time teleportation ( different from Kamui since he teleports himself over space/time ). From Itachi, we know that both MS of a person has same power. If Kakashi took his Sharingan from Obito, then the power of the other MS of Obito is also Kamui. But since each MS can only use one specialty, Tobi can't be Obito.
    ( Please note; Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi are not what I'm talking about so dont consider them.)
    Yah plus he gave his history of how he took his eye from his brother and everything and why he is mad at konoha i say Tobi is maddara and Our beloved obito is dead but it will unravel itself in good time
     
         

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