Re: General Football Debates!
CR7? Messi, with Aguero/Higuain and Di Maria around still = Argentina. The only reason Portugal stay in these games is due to there defence. Argentina have offence, Portugal has defence, clearly the Spain/Germany/Netherland/Czech games proved it they either lost by one goal, won by one or lost in PK. Barcelona since last year have had trouble in defence and look what it cost them. There offence is red hot, but yet get screwed over defensively. Pepe/Alves are much better than any Argentina defenders, midfielder Moutinho, offence CR7/Nani. They have slightly a better team, Messi only has offence, but that got them so far at WC10, were Portugal have gotten further with defence, so don't speak to me about adaptability. The one feat that goes to CR7 is he scored more in actually tournaments (Euro/WC) compared to Messi. CR7 defence keeps him in and unlike Messi he (CR7) doesn't play as a forward for Madrid and go to midfield for country, which Messi does do. They both are the same, the influence for there country, but yet have done anything.
i don't think the problem is the team you know......i mean lets take CR7 as exampleafter 2006 you can see he's the best player in portugal, you can say Ronaldo=portugal after that, the last players from portugal golden generation in the 90's Luis Figo is retired at that time, i can hardly see any good top 5 stars players in his portugal team, in euro 2008 they lost against the finalist germany which is the top favorite at that time, in 2010 they lost against the champion spain which is overhype after their performance in euro 2008 and again he lost against spain via penalty shoot out , you can see even without top stars player in his team Ronaldo manage to perform really good and the key for that is his adaptability feat, he can harmonize with any player that he just encounter
You bought up a topic, so did I? Whats the problem with that? I recall me discussing your topic haven't I? I never said Xavi isn't a BS talker, but if your going to flame him than look at what his rival say. Escorp and I already discussed this that Xavi recently has been coming out a lot and its been hitting his image. As I said he responds to other BS talker once again answer your question.
why ? because am talking about the article, its was the topic that's why i see no reason why you shouldn't bring up about mou and other madrid players when the topic is about xavi, as if it makes you admit that xavi is a bullshitter and try to avoid the topic and talk about mou,
nah i don't think what rijk did is wrong he did the best he could at that time, Deco is simply better than xavi at that time, and as professional players xavi shouldn't whine about that instead he should train harder and prove himself to rijk that time, and you should be grateful that he didn't sell messi and iniesta at that time, thought he did waste cesc and take dos santos in the team which is one of his biggest mistake,
Without knowing the whole story why do you talk shit? Xavi wasn't a big name yet Milan was after him, yet many other Serie A clubs, as well as EPL clubs. Xavi wanted to stay at Barcelona and become big here and take the club far. He didn't work hard? I didn't know you knew Xavi personally. I guess Pirlo got booted from Milan because he didn't work hard right? Rijk wanted to sell Xavi, but he got fired and Barcelona were sill going to as they could have made a lot on him, so clearly if they were going to make a lot on him he obviously had something in him. Pep told Barcelona he wants Xavi here and thankfully he did.
Woah, what about what Chelsea got away from 1st leg: penalty for Henry not given 2nd leg: Ballack handball in the box (no penalty), dive by Anelka and red for Abidal, penalty not given for Messi...Chelsea didn't get away with it?
of course there are times when certain team get the benefit from the referee deluded judgement, but then again barcelona has it more, i mean look at the semifinal in 2009, THAT WAS A DISGRACE ITS A ****ING DISGRACE, i mean how many times chelsea player got taken down in the penalty box ? and the handball ? its was as clear as days that barca player is handball, in one occasion the incident even occurred in front of the referee very eyes, yet the referee said no, what's wrong with that ? that's why barca is well known as the UEFALONA in whole world,
c'mon don't tell me you doubt the Italians triumph in 2006, if so then we have to talk
Inter VS Barcelona, everyone is complaining about Busquets dive, but what about Milito offside goal, or 3 PK not given two on Alves, one were Sniejder completely tackles him without touching the ball from behind and taking him down and one with a defender in the PK box literally holding Alves wrist and shoulder to bring him down, and one on Ibra whos shirt got ripped in PK box from a corner. The goal that was disallowed, Toure chest just slightly missing his hands yet disallowed goal. The funny part here is the Portuguese refs in that match was good friends with Mou and both owned a restaurant together lol
Drogba diving and negative football Chelsea played? The world doesn't even acknowledge that CL triumph by them.
Recent Madrid games the first clasico VS Barcelona Albiol did a lot of ugly tackles and should have been given a two yellows, but got away with it even ask Escorps.
The funny thing is the world is just after the best club thats it. Everyone covers there eyes when others get away with it, but open them when Barcelona does or its either they'll say that were getting even with Barcelona and playing there game etc. The excuses the people make.
Fact is we lost in 2010, we lost in 2012. I can sit here complain about Inter/Chelsea CL win over us, but they won at the end and history isn't changing shit. Barcelona won in 09/11 it won't change either.
As far Italian go...match fixing speaks for itself, not once, but twice. Who knows what really could have occurred in the WC. I'm not complaining, I'm just telling you what the rest of the world think, mainly the French with the whole Zidane incident an that nasty rat of a Italian defender. Before you call people disgrace look at your league
Conspiracy? Both Wenger and Ancelotti got also short end of the stick, but they denied there was a conspiracy between Barcelona and UEFA. Wenger called it ref mistake and they both still acknowledge Barcelona as the best. They both said Mou is just taking things to far in which he has the violence and war between Barcelona/Madrid has gotten worse since he arrived.
conspiracy ? yes
refs fault ? hell yes
team was tired ? yes
he didn't have a team ? yes because madrid players have some internal problem,
it was reasonable why he said that the special one have some valid point over there, like when there is not a single inter players nominated for the Ballon D'or in 2010, yes that was a conspiracy
Ref makes a mistake in every game not just in Barcelona. Madrid won the league thanks to refs mistakes
Every teams tired Madrid have an all star line up and some good footballers on the bench Bayern weren't tired in CL sem VS them, Chelsea and Barcelona weren't either? As I said excuses
He didn't have a team? Or did he hurt his team? Mou always gives cold shoulders to his players, Iker called Xavi last year Mou didn't like that and benched him, Casillas never gets bench especially if he's healthy. Ramos/Ozil had a few bad starts once again just throws them to the side (benches them). Ozil been off game since the friendlies, reason why he bought Modric in Iker was happy with Barcelona staying on the pitch and shared a lot moment with some players including Messi/Xavi/Valdes after they (Madrid) won Espana and Mou didn't like it once again. Mou didn't like Casillas sportsmanship towards Barcelona.
Mou has been behind the destruction of the Spanish national team...FACT.
The Spanish international made time to speak to the whole Barca team following the El Clasico at the Camp Nou.
"I was aware of what Casillas did and next time he can stay with them," said Mourinho.
LOL You are clearly blinded if you don't see Pep making talent. Mou buys players who already are talented, Robben was already a big name, same as Sneijder, same as Ozil. He just got the most out of them, just as Pep did with Xavi/Iniesta/Messi/Pique/Pedro/Busquets etc Iniesta was hyped extremely for his versatile. He was in Barcelona starting line up at the age of 18 and at the age of 20 played 38 of 40 games in that season.
mou got pretty close winning CL with his chelsea, and also with madrid this year he should get it and make it 3 CL trophy for him, messi and iniesta is already a promising young talent even before pep come in Barca 1st team, am talking about unknown players that come out from nowhere,
oh please this new youth from la masia overrating need to stop.... Tello,Thiago and Iceuna haven't shown anything that make them get the world recognition, even iniesta don't get that much hype when rijk take him in,
well of course tittles come thru from hardowrk and money but its easier when you already have the team, which is what SAF,Wenger and Mou didn't have when they start their career
Just because he said that doesn't make him CR hater. Xavi denies defensive crisis and says we can play without Pique/Puyol, so by your logic he's saying Pique/Puyol are shit and we can win without them.
oh please he did have some serious problem with Ronaldo, i mean what kind of friends who said something like MANU is better without CR7 just after the man left the theater of dreams......
well in RVP case its different, i mean rooney is already the key player for MANU, unlike the days when CR7 still in his MANU jersey, i mean he was from England SAF spend about 30 million pounds or so to get him in the media hype him as high as it gets but well **** CR7 is still the MAN and still score more than him while Rooney is supposed to be the striker LOL,
and yeah MANU play is kinda slow and they are less productive without CR7,
idk about that article, but then again i read some article a month ago from Goal that he said he can't chose between messi and cristiano
Rooney said United can still win things without Ronaldo, and he wasn't wrong about that. They won without him and with him. CR was a big part in United play, and he bought flare to them, just as many others did Tevez, Giggs, Scholes, Rooney, Van Der Sar, etc.
United still play impressively well and are productive, but not efficient.
The article you spoke of only came out two weeks ago The article I post came after Euros, the one your speaking of Del Bosque spoke of after the Clasico (2-2) just last week.
lmfao, no he didn't hahahaha he combined park the bus and counter, which isn't rocket science. You call yourself Italian fan and you think Mou plays Catenaccio...
i never said that he's not, and yeah he did say mou ain't going down in history just before the uero starts and he said it again but its the style now, but that was retarded i mean mou style is devastating its what you called effective football, he combine both catenaccio in defense and total football for attack
The foundations for Total Football were laid by Hungary which revolutionized the sport in the 1950s, laying the tactical fundamentals of Total Football and dominating international football with the remarkable Golden Team. Jack Reynolds, who was the manager of Ajax from 1915–1925, 1928–1940, and 1945–1947 first witnessed this system and refined the tactical procedures and first wrote of the fluidity of this style.
LOL Rinus Michels is credited with the invention of a major football tactic known as "Total Football"
and was named "coach of the century" by FIFA in 1999,
man he was the inventor, without him cruyff is no one, he is cruyff MASTER, they called him the inventor and named him the coach of the century for a reason, all cruyff do is take it to other country and implant it there....
Rinus Michels, who played under Reynolds, later went on to become manager of Ajax himself and refined the concept into what is known today as "Total Football" (Totaalvoetbal in Dutch), using it in his training for the Ajax squad and the Netherlands national team in the 1970s. It was further refined by Stefan Kovacs after Michels left for Barcelona. Dutch forward Johan Cruyff was the system's most famous exponent