Re: Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions
Oh..this is awesome, here we go.
Originally Posted by -Yami-
To add to this old post of mine, one of the biggest arguments aside from Obito being crushed is tha the timeline between Madara and Tobi working together doesn't match with Obito's timeline. What readers fail to see however is that Kishi never gave any solid proof as to when Tobi and Madar actually met. There's absolutely none...
Another argument is why would Madara choose a half dying kid to ressurect him? It actually makes perfect sense that he would. If he was able to brainwash Obito with his own ideals throughout his earlier years, mentor him, and then place Zetsu there with him after he's gone. Then trusting a kid whose been trained to follow your way is much more guaranteeing that trusting an adult whose already mature enough to have his own view of how the shinobi world should be.
I mean one miscalculation in their character and ideals, and he's not being ressurected...
I'm almost certain Madara thought of this.
And then there's the bigger issue of Obito's death. Miracles happen even in real life though, people living with disfigured body parts because of terrible accidents. I don't know why it's so impossible to believe that it's possible in a manga lol. Especially when there' a tech like the rinnegan.
Well that's all. ^^ Though I'm slowly developing another theory (Obito and the elder son involved) but have to think on it some more.
Okay, thought about it, and here's what I came up with.
Tobi is indeed the elder son, but is using Obito's body. Okay, Madara took his brother's eyes and gained EMS, and then went back to read the stone. But what he saw was more than details about the Sharingan left by the so6p, he saw something the elder son left himself, the details on how to ressurect him and his aid in th reader's quest for more power. Afterall, anyone who has obtained the EMS and seeks further knowledge by reading the stone is without a doutb seeking more power. The elder son knew this, and used it to guarantee his return.
But he came back "incomplete", in other words he was very weak, and paled in comparison to Madara's strength...
However, he had a rinnegan of his own. They came up with a plan (I will mention later), this plan involved the creation of Zetsu. Anyways, he told Madara he must have a near death experiece. But Hashi actually KILLED Madara, afterall, it's unlikely that Hashi wasn't sure that he was dead. What he didn't know...is that the elder son was alive and possessed the eyes we know as the rinnegan. The elder son ressurected Madara, but he couldn't have done so without consuming lots of chakra from an already weak body (or whatever the heck he was). So Zetsu, who can replenish chakra was created from an experiement on how "Tobi" (Getting tired of saying elder son) could survive the depletion of chakra as a result from using the rinne tensei.
After this, Madara had the rinnegan which he unlocked just before he died. He either consumed hashi's cells ro lived naturally. Anyway he lived to meet Nagato, this boy was just perfect, he was an Uzumaki who possessed lots of chakra. And since Tobi wasn't in the condition to actually handle the rinnegan, he passed it on to Nagato.
Tobi and Madara then planned for Madara's ressurection later, but there was something Madara and Tobi had to do, get Tobi a more suitable body than what he had...
This is where Obito comes in at, Madara then used his own rinnegan to revive Obito. And some unknown technique was used that allowed Tobi to enter his body. Depending on the effects caused by this tech, Obito may have aged from this, Madara then passed on. And then Tobi makes his attack (along with his new found techs from obito's sharingan) on the Leaf.
Haha, it's just a theory.