Re: Naruto Manga Chapter 600 Discussion and 601 Predictions
The timeframe between Obito being crushed and Minato showing up may or may not a literally be a matter of minutes. You MAY assume that it is we still don't know for sure so it isn't fact. Also Obito being crushed twice STILL does not confirm his death. Showing a scene of someone looking to check if his body is dead confirms that. I mean look at Deidara vs Sasuke. When Deidara made it seem like Sasuke exploded, either the scene could have ended there or Sasuke could have just escaped while faking his death and we could have assumed Sasuke died but he really didn't.
Originally Posted by squigles
You just proved my point. Madara CAN have a reason to take him in. Maybe to experiment resurrecting Obito or maybe he wanted to leave him as his legacy because Madara may have foreseen his death and Obito will continue his plan (and quite possibly revive Madara). My point is Madara can have a reason.
Because he has absolutely zero reason to. The Uchiha betrayed him, remember? He was the only Uchiha (besides his brother) who was willing to do whatever it took to keep his power in the ninja world, and no other Uchiha would stand by him. He has no reason to take in a dying Uchiha boy, and would be in a better position if he just killed him and took his sharingan or used his dead body for experiments.
Again I explained earlier why Obito wasn't confirmed dead. And again, Madara CAN have reasons to take Obito as I said earlier. And again x2, it's not fair to judge Obito's justification yet because Kishi hasn't begun to reveal the whole Rin thing.
Because you have to lose the person close to you before you can become angry enough about it to seek vengeance. Obito's death was BEFORE Rin died, so therefore his rescue or resurrection had to also happen BEFORE Rin died. So whoever helped Obito would have had to see the future to know that Rin was going to die and that Obito would be pissed enough about it to Rage at the world.
Do you understand my point yet? How does Madara know to save Obito so that he can become evil and enslave the world, when the cause of his evilness has not yet happened? We're talking about a matter of minutes in a timeline where Rin is not dead.... therefore 'because you let Rin die' is not a valid reason for Obito to have survived his supposed death and come back as an evil super villain.
How can you say "Kishi doesn't need to explain it because it doesn't fit at all." when the point of an explanation is to show why something fits within the context... And again, we have to be patient about Kishi explaining the whole Rin incident before judging.
It was a unique plot twist to have someone you thought was dead come back as the main villain. However, none of the events that transpired afterward make any sense given the context of that characters death. The 'Rin thing' is what makes the least sense of all. Kishi doesn't need to explain it because it doesn't fit at all. It's literally the same as Obito coming back as the main villain and telling Kakashi it's because 'he let Jiraya die.' Or because he 'let Minato die.' Or any other major character who died AFTER Obito. It's just not logically possible for Obito's survival and subsequent turn into an evil bastard to be explained by Rin's death.
From what I remember, the long-haired masked man only told he was Uchiha Madara to those that didn't have intention to foil his plan (e.g. Kisame). I'm just saying it is a possibility but not claiming it happened. There could be a bunch of logical reasons as to why Madara would do that which you haven't put effort into thinking. My point is that it's best to keep an OPEN-MIND rather than narrowing your view into "Oh I know exactly how X character's brain works because I feel I'm a manga psychologist so I will claim that he will NEVER do this." It underestimates the creativity of human nature.
Except there is no logical reason for Madara to wear a mask (when he never did before) and then run around claiming to be Madara. Do you put on a mask and then run around telling people who you really are? That just seems like a retarded thing to do imo. It would make more sense to wear a mask to specifically HIDE who you really are.
Just because a character is incredibly weak does not make him a character of little value in story. What makes a character of high value is how significant he/she is to the story. Madara is of high value because he is showed to be a major representation of hatred and power throughout the story and Obito was of high value because of his crucial connection to a major character (which can be used to further develop the plot), Kakashi, and how he represented friendship. Now Obito is of even higher value now because he represents the the truth about mankind which is that we are dynamic creatures. (shifting from a caring, friendship-oriented character to an anti-hero who's sense of justice has completely changed to a different extreme)
Except that Madara has been a major character in the story arc and one of the most powerful ninja ever. During his 5 chapter mini arc, Obito was a bumbling fool and only barely managed to awaken his sharingan and save Kakashi. Let's say for sake of my point, that instead of being called Naruto, the story was called Sasuke, and Naruto died in the first 3 chapters. What would you think about Naruto at that point?
Pretty shitty no-name character. The only reason why you think anything of Naruto now is because the main story is centered on him, and he's had 600 chapters to grow up and become a powerful force for good.