Re: Reasons why i believe that Jiraiya would beat Itachi Uchiha in a battle:
Yup Itachi uses MS techs as last resort...He first fight of Kakashi with normal jutsus, when he saw Kakashi is as good as him in using Sharingan(Itachi himself said that), he used MS as using other jutsus against one who have copied 1000 jutsus, would have been either useless or would have taken time...
He uses MS in every single fight we have seen him in, most of them not as last resorts but simply because he can.
He used tsukyomi against sasuke when he was a 5 year old child for ****s sakes.
Yeah sure okay, kisame is in akatsuki because he is weaker than kakashi by that stage...even though kakashi freely admitted he is no match for orochimaru who was in akatsuki.
Kisame doing job just as well, bull****
Itachi himself said, Kakashi against Kisame fight would have taken time...
Hmmm...somethings not right here...
Kakashi has no chance against oro...who was in akatsuki
Kisame getting the job done is bullshit, meaning hes weaker than kakashi...so therefore weaker than orochimaru...
Sorry, i have a high IQ, i cant understand what the **** youre talking about because it is contradictory and makes no damn sense.
spirit/physical chakra are two types you mix to make jutsus.
Sage Mode works by absorbing Natural Energy, so amount of chakra in body keeps changing, in the same way Kirabis chakra level changes by mixing up with 8-tails chakra...So genjutsu of any kind is useless....Be it with hand signs or MS or sword of totsuki...
How come you cant simply cast of genjutsu that way??
You have made an assumption based on a jinchuuriki's powers and put them into sage mode
Thus there is 0 evidence for what you're saying, and kishi screwed up, Itachi said MS is impossible to avoid...even normal sharingan has limited resistance against it.
Meaning what characters say can CHANGE, OR, youre talking bullshit and kishi ****ed up.
Take your pic, theyre the only logical options.
I asked for proof itachi used amaterasu at "full power" as you stated.
He first used only Tsukuyomi on Sasuke, and then Amaterasu to run, why he had to run after breaking free, simply bcoz after using Amaterasu he had not much energy left to fight,
This doesnt prove he used amaterasu at full power, it proves he used amaterasu, and it was a tiny fire compared to itachi vs sasuke, and tobi stated itachi was only playing with him...so....full powered amaterasu by itachi would be freakin huge considering itachi covered a mass of land with it.
No...YES, he wanted to kill orochimaru and when he repeatedly failed he instead gave up and simply tracked down akatsuki and information gathered.
Jiraiya and oro are sannin, they are of equal level.
Sannin are out-dated, and akatsuki are in general far stronger than sannins, especially the likes of
Itachis teacher was tobi/madara, and itachi is a close 2nd if not joint 1st in skill and power with tobi.
Tobi knows itachi wants him dead (itachi implanting amaterasu into sasuke etc)
Did tobi ever fight itachi?
Kick him out?
Get other members to take him out?
No, and he was forwarding info to jiraiya it seems, so why didnt tobi do anything?
Probably because he knew even if he got most akatsuki on his ass itachi has to simply fire up yatas mirror (NOT REQUIRING SUSANOU) and amaterasu a massive radius around him.
Yeah because otherwise he'd lose lol.
How can you say, We have not seen Jiraiya against Genjutsu...
Admittedly jiraiya simply stated to naruto his weakest talent is in genjutsu.
Remember jiraiya is like naruto, hes not a genius, hes a hard working gutsy ninja, and has some intelligence, like naruto, at the right time when its needed.
There is no proof natural energy does the same thing as a jinchuriiki.
WTF....Natural Energy absorbtion does the same thing it changes level of chakra in body just like Bijju does for host, Natural Energy is perfect counter for any genjutsu...
If sage mode is so similar, why was the frog tossed out of narutos body by 9tails?
Obviously there is some form of difference in the energies as 9tails noticed its presence and didnt like it, if it was so similar/same the 9tails would be none the wiser.
To say sage mode is parrallel to having a bijuu is just silly, never in the manga is that stated, at all, or even hinted at.
Forg genjutsu workd by paralysing brain, not by showing some illusions, so we don't know whether Itachi can counter it or not...As you said based on manga, Itachi never showed any defence against frog genjutsu...
Similar to itachi vs oro? lol
Itachi is a genjutsu legend, while admittedly there is no direct statement he can defend against it, it is likely, meaning maybe he can, maybe he cant, but if you read the manga this friday with itachi counterng it, would you be surprised?
A genjutsu legend that counters a genjutsu-not exactly surprising stuff.
At the end of the day its very careful manipulation of chakra in the brain, to use it and disrupt it.
WTF...Both are exactly opposite...In using you disrupt chakra flow of others and in using you disrupt chakra flow of your own so other party can not control it bcoz of change in chakra level...
It was explained ages ago, how brains chakra is changed to make illusions etc and requires careful manipulation.
No but tobi is like itachi, both have very powerful sharingans, are smart and have appear to be equal in strength.
I am not talking about those two....
If the 4th had a hard time getting tobi, you can bet your ass the 4th would have trouble with itachi
Jiraiya freely admits the 4th would own his ass
Hiding is what ninjas do, the first thing we see in kakashis training is making them hide, in fact was hiding the ninja #1 priority?
Hiding behind something is equal to runniing....If you can not attack with it and other one is not attacking you any kind of shields are pretty useless..
Isnt many fights won by ambush via hiding in the narutoverse fights??
Running is equal to running
Hiding is using a tool and getting a top spot on the enemy.
which again i point out, is contradictory.
thats wrong killer bee could break genjutsu because he had two chakra sources one could flow chakra into the other thus rendering genjutsu useless itachi could not keep them in genjutsu either
Kishi stated MS tsukyomi cannot be bettered, only someone with another MS can beat him (itachi faked sasuke winning against his tsukyomi)
Therefore there are 2 scenarios
1.What kishi says can change (powers and how a jutsu works etc)
2.Kishi ****ed up and made a contradiction to what he previously stated.
I used the Itachi beat orochimaru who fought equally with jiraiya logic.
if ur gonna make a claim this dynamic a little proof would be beneficial or at least grounds for ur thesis (and the generational passing doesnt count as it is broad and not all ninja are included)
That is transitive inference, google it.
It is a widely accepted mathematical fact and is used throughout many things on this planet with amazing accuracy.
dynamic and broad my ass, it was clearly as to the point as anything can get.
how is this questionable u saw naruto's fight (granted he lost the first half) he overcame pein simply bacuase he knew the major details of is fighting style
and pein having multiple bodies and the real one not being present is the tactic he was refering to not a ninjutsu
Kishi said jiraiya wouldve won if he'd known his secret-Naruto barely did and knew everything about pain, had a more advanced sage mode, AND released 8tailed form, AND pain couldnt use god realm and was weakened, bleeding, and had used most of his chakra, when jiraiya got owned by 4tail form alone, which even orochimaru defended better against....lol...I think i have more than proved my point, if you dont get it-you never will.
No its called an argument, its not my fault itachis jutsus are 1 hit wonders and have little to no defence against
overall ur arguement is incomplete and onesided if u argue a scenario no one will take u serious if all u do is ramble on about how itachi wins with an extensive list of his abilities and in simple terms state that j -man would lose
its biased and in accurate
Tsukyomi-Originally stated to be unavoidable and impossible to cancel unless the user does
Amaterasu-massive range and power and very few jutsus to avoid, sasukes method used most of his chakra, meaning the enemy will be hard pressed fighting if theyre using buttload of chakra
Susanou which we dont know what it does, but it HOLDS a sword of eternal genjutsu and MAYBE yatas mirror (legendary items equipped to susanou, not requirement for usage of them)
Proof in this is that both orochimaru and zetsu knew of the items, but knew nothing of susanou, if the items are bound to susanou, and they knew the items, logically they must know about susanou.
They didnt know about susanou, therefore
1.Kishi ****ed up
2.The items are SEPERATE from susanou.
Yatas mirror voids all jutsus and attacks.
Thats one hell of a ****ing resume for itachi, im hard pressed thinking of a ninja who could fight on equal ground with itachi, even pain would have severe trouble.
Kishi also said MS tsukyomi is IMPOSSIBLE to avoid, and 8tails did it.
Anyway, Itachi was a badass dude. But his statement about Jirayas strength was all the proof that we should need, because the AUTHOR put it in there. And no matter what WE say its KISHI's opinion that counts.
Kishi also had kakashi say zabuza was too strong for the 3 genin-they got him
Kishi said jiraiya wouldve won if he'd known his secret-Naruto barely did and knew everything about pain, had a more advanced sage mode, AND released 8tailed form, AND pain couldnt use god realm and was weakened, bleeding, and had used most of his chakra, when jiraiya got owned by 4tail form alone, which even orochimaru defended better against....lol
Its not that your statement has no merit, it does have merit, my problem is that kishi's writing is confusing and sometimes blatantly contradicts itself, and powers are up and down like a rollercoaster with naruto.
It makes gauging strengths nearly impossible when it comes to naruto.
Ill admit you have a point, though i must point out kishis style isnt accurate, yes he made the series but my last point clearly shows how pain was vastly superior to the new naruto yet the old naruto(4tails) nearly killed jiraiya