Re: Do you believe in God? If so why? And If not, reasons? :)
I find it amusing how you scold someone for giving God 'humanly qualities', yet you do the same.
Originally Posted by Ashflura
I don't think you quite understand the ramifications of the properties you give God.
Let us, for a second, accept the notion that there is a God. This God is, following the Jewish, Islamic and Christian belief, omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient, infinite and everything. He is Alpha and Omega.
By themselves, these qualities have 'consequences'.
God, in most monotheistic religions, knows everything. His knowledge is, therefore, infinite. There is no limit to God's knowledge; he even knows what'll happen in the future. That, if we ignore the 'time is relative'-speech, petches God on a pedestal where his knowledge and memory is completely and utterly infinite. Even if we consider that the universe might end, causing the removal of all mass and energy, alongside the logic of 'time', God will still see the future, but it'll be a future of nothing. Just as we have optical memories of a completely dark room, God, in all his almightiness, will continue to 'percieve' and 'remember'.
Do you agree so far? God knows everything, regardless of time. Therefore; God has 'infinite knowledge' and must therefore have 'infinite memory'.
Now, what is a thought? "They’re really just electro-chemical reactions" (http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news...oughts-made-of) No matter how you put it, the ability to think requires a certain amount of things; like Neurons, Synapses and Axons. Thoughts are, essentially, electrical and chemical signals. All in all, the ability to think requires one to be some kind of matter. You have to be physical.
"When you read these words, for example, the photons associated with the patterns of the letters hit your retina, and their energy triggers an electrical signal in the light-detecting cells there. That electrical signal propagates like a wave along the long threads called axons that are part of the connections between neurons. When the signal reaches the end of an axon, it causes the release of chemical neurotransmitters into the synapse, a chemical junction between the axon tip and target neurons. A target neuron responds with its own electrical signal, which, in turn, spreads to other neurons. Within a few hundred milliseconds, the signal has spread to billions of neurons in several dozen interconnected areas of your brain and you have perceived these words. (All that and you probably didn’t even break a sweat.)
The fact that you are then able to convert the perception of these shapes into symbols, language, and meaning is a whole other story—and a good indication of the complexity of neuroscience. Trying to imagine how trillions of connections and billions of simultaneous transmissions coalesce inside your brain to form a thought is a little like trying to look at the leaves, roots, snakes, birds, ticks, deer—and everything else in a forest—at the same moment." (http://engineering.mit.edu/live/news...oughts-made-of)
If we consider that God needs these basic, logical components to think; God's mass and volume would be infinite.
If we consider that God doesn't need Neurotransmitters, Axons, Neurons or Synapses to think, then, somehow, God must have an infinite amount of electrical and chemical signals somewhere that somehow stores information.
How would this thing think? It would have an infinite mass yet have no volume.
But we're just scraping the surface. Even if we consider that God can think, how does he store an infinite amount of information?
Again, Neurons, Axons, Synapses. God can think of everything at once while he remembers everything at once. It is physically impossible for an entity of infinite memory and knowledge to exist.
If that was too theoretical and whoop-de-doo for you (it certainly was for me), how about we grab something more simple?
God, according to Religion, possesses the ability to be everywhere at once. God is infinite in everything; able to do everything.
First of all, it's impossible for God to be infinite. Infinity means without end, and, logically, leaves no holes. Following this logic there would be nothing but God, in the sense that God would be everything that is, meaning that I'm God, and you're God, and my dog is God.
Basically; "If the God is infinite, then God is all that there is. There is nothing other than God. All of existence is God and God is all that exists."
If God has the ability to travel faster than Light, then he'd have to consists of nothingness, which would give him a limit since something besides nothing exists. If God consists of nothing, then God, technically, doesn't exist.
If God, on the other hand, consists of something, then, to be everywhere, he'd have to have an infinite volume, which would, logically, make him consists of matter. If you consists of matter and have a volume, then, per difinition, you have a mass, too. If your volume is infinite, as is your mass.
The only exception is photons, who are considered massless objects. Photons, however, are unable to travel faster than the speed of light, which means that God's influence is restricted to the speed of light.
http://news.discovery.com/space/time...on-110724.html (for the lulz)
Your God would have to be impossibly complex, consists of nothing and fill everything to exists. Not even being all energy in the universe would give him these properties.
Shit, my head.