Originally Posted by Lilt
I agree with this one. If Itachi had full knowledge on Obito, he would have defeated him with preparations and a trap. After all, even Konan almost defeated Obito without full knowledge. So I agree, but it isn't really anything outstanding.
2. Why didn't Itachi kill him then?
Why didn't the Five Kages and all of their guards kill Tobi?
Why'd didn't Minato with all of Konoha kill Tobi?
Because Obito can phase out of and teleport away from any fight.
That's not exactly the reason. Obito would have harder time escaping from a fight against Itachi than just nullifying one failed Amaterasu assassination attempt after Itachi's death. If Itachi hoped Ama trap could kill Obito then he should have known confronting Obito face to face would be even better.
The real reason why Itachi did not do anything is because of hype. Obito was believed to be Madara by Itachi, and Itachi preferred not to fight him since he thought he would have lost. That's why he resorted to a post-death trap (which Obito called a fail even though he was surprised).
3. Itachi was the one (who couldn't teleport) surrounded by Tobi's allies.
Why didn't Tobi defeat Itachi and control him with genjutsu like he did with Yagura?
Because Yagura started the blood mist even before Obito was evil, which implies he was controlled by Madara at first, not Obito. Obito most likely just continued what Madara started.
Besides, Itachi is better in genjutsu than Yagura. It would be more difficult to put him in it.
Why didn't Tobi store Itachi in the handy-dandy pocket-dimension until he needed him like with Torrune?
Why should he? They were cooperating anyway for the whole time, even though it was a pact of convenience rather than friendship. Imprisoning him would create a risk of Itachi stopping this cooperation.
Why didn't Tobi replace Itachi with a White Zetsu clone for Sasuke like he did with Kisame?
Because Itachi's death was one of the reasons as to why Sasuke joined Obito and that was the plan.
Why did Tobi hide in the shadows for years when Itachi joined, and didn't emerge until just before Itachi died?
Again - why should he? Nagato, Zetsu and Itachi knew about Obito anyway (even though they thought he was Madara, except for Zetsu). It's not like he pretended to be a goofus because of Itachi.
4. Itachi was Tobi's problem.
Regardless of translation specifics, Itachi was a problem.
And Tobi didn't make a move on Konoha until Itachi was dead.
If Tobi betrayed a pact after the pactmaker died, that means he didn't respect the pact.
Only the pactmaker. Tobi didn't move purely because he didn't want to cross a living Itachi.
He had Akatsuki annihilating Konoha before Itachi's body was even cold
They had a pact, as I said. If it would truly be nuisance to Obito, he would have simply ordered Nagato to kill Itachi. You might argue whether Itachi was stronger than MS Obito and some even argue (though it's stupid) whether Nagato can kill Itachi, but even the most devoted fanboys would agree that Obito and Nagato together would rape Itachi badly.
4. Tobi thought Itachi was the bee's-knees. Itachi thought Tobi ['current Madara'] was pathetic.
And you'd be surprised how many can't differentiate 'pathetic shell of former self' from 'invincible Madara.'
He told this to Sasuke so it is likely it was a lie just like other things.
5. Tobi's Kamui has an obvious counter.
Tobi cannot attack and defend at the same time.
Gai countered Obito's offense with his nunchucks. It isn't unstoppable.
No one said it was.
But guess who has clones? Guess who can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints?
Itachi has clones and so does Kakashi. Itachi can fool a Dragon Sage and EMS user with feints but Kakashi can fool Itachi with feints. In other words, this argument doesn't really work, since Kakashi can do all this as well but has some hard time against Obito right now. Thinking that Itachi's case would be different is pure speculation.
Guess whose clones explode, which can make Obito absorb explosive damage like Konan did?
Again, Kakashi can do even better in this situation, since he has a raiton bunshin, which paralyzes the opponent on contact. And somehow he still cannot compete with Obito.
Heck, he has exploding clones and
one of the fastest ninjutsu and
one the fastest jutsu molding speeds.
Sorry for bringing Kakashi all the time, but he's on similar level to Itachi and is currently fighting Obito, so he's a perfect example. Kakashi has raiton bunshins and a much wider spectrum of techniques.
Itachi's a walking counter to Obito's Kamui.
According to what's going on, it's Kakashi who's a perfect counter to Obito. :p
The author wouldn't even have to create new jutsu out of nowehere for Itachi to look great...
5. Tobi's only other primary jutsu was Izanagi
Who was that ninja with the jutsu specifically designed to trounce Izanagi?
I agree with this, Izanagi would be useless against Itachi.
That's kind of a repetition.
So, why didn't the terminally ill teenager with deteriorating eyesight that was waltzing around the enemy base as a known double-agent for nearly a decade, who was actively keeping the Big Bad from attacking Konoha again, kill the Big Bad? Because the Big Bad was hiding in the shadows. He was hiding from Itachi so effectively that even the readers didn't know he existed until the 300 chapters in.
I gave my points, now I'll also conclude and give the arguments as to why Itachi maybe could have NOT killed Obito.
1) As I said, Itachi would be dead if Obito wanted it much. Proof: He was ordering Nagato around, he could order him to get rid of Itachi.
2) Obito was wise enough not to reveal everything to Itachi. That's why Itachi was fooled into believing he was Madara and therefore was afraid to face him in battle. Proof: Itachi resorted to post-death assasination trap instead of fighting him.
3) Even if they fought face to face, it's not like Itachi would win for sure, even with knowledge. Both would stand a chance.
Lol. He was ABOVE his full power, as he was immortal and had infinite chakra, yet he still would have been smashed hard by Nagato if it wasn't for Naruto and Bee.
Originally Posted by ixc