Re: Only a SAGE can be Jinchurriki of the Juubi !!!
No it doesn't say that ridukou senin learned ninjutsu after becoming the jubi. I think he got a huge boost from the Juubi, and it was due to the juubi he got his "creation of all things", but as Jiraya says. The ridukou senin traveled all over the world and taught ninjutsu. I will agree to the extent where there is a lot of hints saying that ridukou senin had rinnengan while he was traveling and teaching ninjutsu, but this is no proof that he was jinchuriki of the jubi yet.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by dhaoracle
Hmm I think the creation magic is linked to the juubi, so it must be somewhat linked to natural energy as well. I think he gave Kurama his healing and sensing abilities, because Kurama was/is the strongest of the 9. It would only make sense to give the one with most power the tools to learn how to use his powers in the right way.
It is said in the Manga that the powers of the Bijuus are not just the power of the Juubi but also that all of the powers were of the Juubi as well. The Juubi was comprised of Pure Natural Energy which can be made into basically everything with the power of Creation of All Things. Who knows really me or you can be right because it has been said int he manga that they are not just split chakra but also the powers are split from the Juubi as well. You can also be right because of the forms that Rikudo Sennin made them to be. So why would he only give Kurama sensing of Negative energy and healing?
Yeah I don't think that it is a coincidence, and I don't think the Juubi was his summon, of course it wasn't. However, I simply tried to question the theory, since there is no actual proof except of the visual proof.
I am sorry but you cannot deny that when the Juubi himself has both the Rinnegan and Sharingan eyes mixed. Plus you need both the Sharingan and Senju DNA just to get the Rinnegan which the Juubi obviously have. Unless you are telling me that the Juubi is the summon of Rikudo Sennin. Which in my eyes would not make him the saviour of the world but someone who was trying to clean up his mess. Also if he had such great power before the Juubi woulnd't he have had the power to stop the War way before he defeated the Juubi without needing the Juubi's power??
Here is the Manga where you can obviously see the eyes used to use Creation of All Things which just so happen to be the same eyes of the Juubi. Is that coincidence?? I think not.
The reason I don't think the rinnengan came from the Juubi, is because Madara was able to awaken them again. As a matter of fact a Jinchuriki doesn't pass ANY of the beasts abilities on to his child. Then why would the sharingan be passed on to the child of the so6p?
There is another possibility, and that is that the Juubi was evil. It didn't want to be controlled by the so6p, so it left some of its chakra in his eyes, so it could be passed down through generations, so that whoever would awake these eyes, would be able to revive the juubi again. - But then again it is said that the so6p gave his eye abilities to his son. So which is it? I still see too many flaws about this, to just start making conclusion. I don't say that the eye of the juubi doesn't look like it, but there may be other reasons for the way it looks, and Kishi might just want to cause confusion.
Well about this I can just refer to what I said earlier, but it is true that with sealing techniques and natural energy you can accomplish a lot. This is also what I said before. Whether he taught nijutsu before or after sealing the juubi will be proven, if Kishi makes it sure that the rinnengan comes from the Juubi itself. You have proven that. We will have to wait and see.
Here is that page that you were looking for and a powerful technique to seal anything is called Fuinjutsu. We can get an idea of the technique used on the Juubi from the same sealing technique that Naruto used on Kurama. Kurama himself thought that it was Rikudo Sennin.
It says right here that they were not led down the right path when they were in him so the Juubi did not just agree to go inside him to create peace especially when he was a blob of hatred and negative energy.
How would he have Ninjutsu to defeat the Juubi if he created Ninshu which became Ninjutsu after he defeated the Juubi. He defeated the Juubi to protect the world then he went around the world spreading his religion Ninshu, to stop the wars, which became Ninjutsu. I believe that he was a Master Fuinjutsu and Sage Mode, all which used in the most efffective ways can defeat a lot of anything especially when the Juubi is made of Pure Natural Energy. Maybe he manipulated the Juubi's energy somehow by being a Master of Natural Energy somehow. The powers of Nature energy go much farther than just enhancing your physical abilities but also give advanced users the ability to see in the future like how the Great Toad Sage does.
I think what I meant was that even the so6p must have been the product of some warmongering clans. I was simply trying to say that it's also possible that his rinnengan was inherited from his ancestors.
As far as your question as to why no one including the Sage couldn't be a product alone be the product of both the Uchiha and Senju is that all the attributes of both Clans are definitely inherent of the Juubi eyes and all. You can't believe that Rikudo Sennin who housed basically all the energy of the world inside of himself couldn't gain power of Great Eyes and Great Body to pass it on to his sons without still being great because it isn't all of his power??
Madara never said that the sharingan comes from the rinnengan. In fact it is the opposite. The rinnengan is an upgrade to the sharingan, but it can't be obtained by a "pure" uchiha through natural means. That is you need DNA from senju. But why can an Uzumaki still carry the eyes? What if Uzumaki is in fact the product of senju+uchiha? I am not saying this is my belief, but I think it is an interesting perspective, and it can work as another hypothesis or possibility as for where the rinnengan comes from, just to look at more possibilities than the obvious one, which is the Juubi.
Yes I think this too. And I also have a feeling that Shikkotsu Forest might be, where Madara trained - and probably also Obito then. We know that Obito wants / needs to become the jinchuriki of the Juubi, but can he really control it without natural energy?
Come to think about it I think that there is some kind of connection to the Senju and Senjutsu Mode that Naruto uses. Why? Because just like all of Naruto's abilities are just enhanced the same happens for a Senju. Maybe the Body that everyone is talking about is a product of the Nature Energy that the Juubi was made of. So it would stand that the younger brother got very powerful Nature Energy infused within himself naturally and the elder brother got the eyes and chakra. Senjutsu energy would definitely make a clan like the Senju naturally stronger than any other clans just like how Senjutsu Energy enhances all of Naruto's Abilities. That would also explain why Hashirama has the ability to use a powerful version of Moukouton(Just like how Kabuto used his ability from Jugo's Clan to move the earth) while also able to heal without hand signs(Just how Kurama heals Naruto by being only Yang Energy-Physical Energy-Body). WOW!!!! It would also explain why when anyone gets Hashirama's cells that their power is automatically boosted 10 fold just like how Sage Mode does to Naruto. IDK I think that it makes sense and is very much connected which would also explain why it is so much easier for Hashirama and anyone with his cells are able to control the chakra of a Bijuu so easily.