Re: HiruZen is so pathetic now :(?
True, what most people never realized is that the people (in the manga) who thought Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage were commoners(villagers) and weaklings(Hiruka)...really powerful and knowledgeable shinobis(like Oro and Kabuto) always knew that Hiruzen wasn´t the strongest.When all 4 Edo Hokages were gathered Orochimaru clearly adressed only one of them as ´´God of Shinobi´´...Suigetsu did the same when referring to Hashirama.
Originally Posted by TheCrossroads
The only reason people thought Hiruzen´s hype was true was because of his so called ´´fight´´ against Edo Hashirama and Edo Tobirama, people forget that Oro clearly stated he was TOYING with Hiruzen, it was NEVER a serious fight (except on Hiruzen´s side, who was trying his best)....Moreover we now know that those were very watered down versions of the 1st and the 2nd who were toying with him...Hell, even now Tobirama said this time Hashirama and him were brought back at NEARLY full power!!! Nearly!!..Enough said.
Hiruzen was thought of (again by people who didn´t really know) as the strongest because Hashirama was a myth in most people´s eyes, so they immediately dismissed his power as being a fairy tale.But as shown in his fight against Full power Kyubi+PS armor+EMS Madara the guy´s power was far from a myth.
I think it´s safe to say that in the best of cases Hiruzen is only stronger than Tsunade and even that may not be true.Even Tobirama (Creator ET,S/T jutsu,best Water style jutsu user,Killed Izuna) who has had far less panel time has more feats than Hiruzen.
Also i think given what we have seen, most people would now agree that as far as Edo Hokages go...Hashirama is number one and Minato second.