Re: [FEAR] The Unknown S/T Jutsu User [The White Fang]
1) Yet you bias this theory as if we knew all facts about Hirashin. We don't!! So it's just as possible, that you need some special nature type to be able to use Hirashin. What if you need water, and Tobirama taught it to Hiruzen, hoping he could awaken water as his 2nd nature type? And Hiruzen then taught it to Minato. This possibility cannot be denied, because you don't know enough about Hirashin, and thus there are a vast amount of possibilities, meaning your so called "criteria", are irrelevant, because there are other options, making almost any character at the time meet the true criteria. This cannot be denied. And it has been my point the whole time, which is why any shinobi seen with Tobirama meets more criteria, than one that hasn't been seen with him. Besides, there are shinobi, whom we know nothing about, like those 2 in Danzou's team Kagami Uchiha and that dude from Akimichi clan. As you said, a shinobi can teach more students as well, so Tobirama including those 3 in his team for a mission, makes them more likely candidates.
Originally Posted by FearxDeath
Also suddenly you conclude, that Sakumo was famous during Tobirama's lifetime? He was about same age as Hiruzen, probably a bit younger, on what grounds do you base this? The known facts about Sakumo are a lot older than that, since we know Sasori's age, we know, when he killed his parents, and this was about the same age, that Kakashi was born. Of course Onoki knew him too, but he lived for so long, making anything possible.
2) Rofl... How can you relate a sword to a fang? I can understand it, if he was using 2 swords, then it would make perfect sense, but we have only seen him with 1.
3) Surely, you made connections from Sakumo to Minato (though very vague and unbiased IMO), but nothing to Tobirama, which is what we have been debating.
4) I believe theory making, is to make the most likely theory in relevance with the evidence we have from the manga, and not what makes sense in our mind. I know this is just a fictional story, where anything is possible, yet a theory should at least hold some manga connections to be more of a theory than a fiction.
That is what I would expect him to do, because Kakashi became Jonin at age 7? So it's not really that long, since Sakumo passed away, and Minato if he was 22 at his death, he was probably 21 or 20 at this time.
Oro is different, but he still referred to Hiruzen as his sensei, when they spoke directly. Of course they often refer to them as sensei in direct conversation, compared to, when talking about them to others. But it's obvious, if Kishi planned Sakumo to have been his teacher, he would have shown us some clues, since there is no point in hiding it, and that it's not relevant for the story line anyway.