Re: Naruto is by far the Most Powerful Ninja ATM
Nagato has the rinnegan, the yes that were said to give birth to ninjutsu. At the time of the meeting he had enough chakra to revive half of Konoha and heal the rest. You honestly think with all that chakra Nagato was useless? You forget that the REAL Nagato was able to kill Hanzo the Salamander, and kill many konoha ANBU/Rain ANBU and force Danzo and Hanzo to retreat. And this was all when he was still a teen! Even with the threat of Naruto's Sage/Kyuubi mixture Nagato wasn't worried. At one point Konan said something along the lines of "Nagato just hurry up and-" before she was cut off by a calm Nagato who said something to the effect of "No, I want to hear his answer first." This is clearly showing that Nagato has something he can do, but would rather hear Naruto's answer.
Originally Posted by NarutoUzumakiMinato
Well my argument is that Naruto didn't actually defeat Nagato.....so no.....I don't count having your opponent sacrifice himself to revive your village's people as "defeating". Shikamaru DEFEATED Hidan, Sasuke DEFEATED Danzo, Kakashi DEFEATED Zabuza, Choji DEFEATED Jirobi, etc.
Okay......but Naruto was able to....was he not??? did he not beat all the
puppets??.......Were the rest of the puppets(besides the lead one) not gifted
with amazing abilities?? did they have plenty of chances to pin Naruto down??
all the answers to these questions are YES......and Naruto never managed to use all the clones he had....they were disrupted by the kyuubi's chakra
All of the abilities that the puppets had were due to the Rinnegan, not the actual ninja. The fact that the Yahiko puppet could use Shinrai Tensei is proof of that. But I agree that Naruto's tactics are improving, he doesn't just rush into situations any more.
That takes me back to one of the questions i asked earlier....were the
other puppets capable ninja?? they had incredible abilities....like the one
who could absorb chakra.....and he tried and was turn into a statue:p
and dont forget Naruto was able to figure out which one could revive
and devised a strategy to take him/her out....so his battle smarts are
Yes he COULD OF(key word COULD) but even if he had tried that doesnt
mean he would of succeeded....the moment Naruto saw that black blade
speeding toward his face....the kyuubi would of awoken and would of did
the same thing....that Hinata accomplished.....the only thing that was
different was Naruto FINALLY realized Hinata had feelings for him
The word COULD is a key word and supports my argument. If Nagato was able to put Naruto in a position where death was imminent, that means Nagato had won the fight. Whether he decided not to land the fatal blow because of any reason is irrelevant unless that reason was because Naruto physically prevented him from doing it.
And we have no idea whether the Kyuubi would have saved him and its impossible to know whether that would actually happen, unless it actually happened. Usually it takes a large emotional stress to cause the Kyuubi to come out, hence Hinata being killed. We have not however seen the Kyuubi come out in a situation where Naruto is about to be killed in a split second attack. We have seen it happen when he is dangerously close to dying because of injuries or running low on chakra, but not when he went from okay to death in the blink of an eye, which would have been the case had that rod been aimed at his head.