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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Gèckö View Post
    when is the last time you saw a first move actually kill someone
    it doesn't make sense for it to go like that.SO I am to just stand there while my opponent performs 20 hand seals. That's bs.

    Alright got a similar scenario. My opponent does the same jutsu in his second turn. Tell me the difference between interrupting him then and in the first move. Right because it's the first move, the opponent can do whatever he likes without any chance of being interrupting.
    I get what you mean, but you're not achieving anything with this. If this rule was scrapped, time-frame would just collapse.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Honestly the rule shouldn't be scrapped but altered slightly. Instead of it being the first move it should be the first aggressive action which Hand Seals should fall under.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Guys the first move begin the Timeframe. Without this rule you'd literally be looking at fights that don't even start.. meta gaming and god modding would be at an all time high.

    Alt I'm going to have to disagree. If that was allowed people would try to attack you even if your jutsy only has one handseal. Thus most likely meta gaming a counter with no hand seal
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    My understanding of the timeframe is that the first offensive move used can be countered against. Offensive movements include throwing kunais and other projectiles, forward advancing movement, jutsu usage, and other stuff. If you attempt to counter before one's first offensive action is performed, then you are going to destroy the timeframe. Think of it as a story. You cannot say something like Madara activates his Sharingan as his first action and then turn around and say you attack him before it was activated. Thats the beginning of the fight, if thats the cade, ehats ultimately the point of going first? You'd start to confuse every reader of the story. :/
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    What's with the NB medical school? I've seen like 5 people with medical training. Not really a good look since in the actual manga there are a large amount of them.
     
         

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    My interpretation of the time-frame rules was that it is a safeguard against meta-gaming. Basically you can't act on knowledge your character doesn't yet know.

    Example:

    Opponent A begins hand seals for an earth technique.

    Opponent B starts hand seals for a lightning technique before the earth technique begins.

    That's breaking time frame because you're beginning a counter to a technique that you don't yet know is being used.

    But lets say:

    Opponent A begins a series of hand seals

    Opponent B (a samurai) uses Iado to interrupt the hand seals.

    That wouldn't be breaking the time frame, as the purpose of Iado is to stop hand seals from being used. You're using Iado in response to seeing hand seals, regardless of what those hand seals are being used for. Therefore you're not acting on knowledge your character doesn't yet have.

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    The example of "SO I am to just stand there while my opponent performs 20 hand seals. That's bs." can be viewed like this:

    Your character doesn't know how many hand seals the technique your opponent is using takes. For all he knows its going to stop on the fifth, tenth or first hand seal. You trying to interrupt their hand seals because they're using a technique that takes 20 hand seals, is acting on knowledge your character doesn't have.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ciberr View Post
    What's with the NB medical school? I've seen like 5 people with medical training. Not really a good look since in the actual manga there are a large amount of them.
    It looks like an elite school where only certain people are selected for training. It would be nice if there was more of them then maybe I would apply. I just want to heal not perform surgery.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    guys a question. if someone uses a stronger S-rank technique (for example S-rank water + S-rank lightning) can it be stopped/destroyed with a nomal S-rank technique (for example S-rank wind)?
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenstein View Post
    guys a question. if someone uses a stronger S-rank technique (for example S-rank water + S-rank lightning) can it be stopped/destroyed with a nomal S-rank technique (for example S-rank wind)?
    It al, depends on how the lightning jutsu is. If it is a wave of electric energy conducted by water then yea a S rank wind would work.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Solf J. Kimblee View Post
    It al, depends on how the lightning jutsu is. If it is a wave of electric energy conducted by water then yea a S rank wind would work.
    yeah like that. or like a wind/fire combination against water.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Shinta View Post
    So, we all know that our bios can specialise in an elements to reduce the hand seals to one (1) and have a second element of which we can perform the hand seals at a faster rate than normal.
    My questions is, what benefits does specialising in Taijutsu or Kenjutsu give the bio? Does it just allow them to perform the manoeuvrers quicker or something similar to that?
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    something like that. as far as I know, it gives you more speed and strength and increases you reaction speed in close combat. someone correct me if I'm wrong.
    Quote Originally Posted by Solf J. Kimblee View Post
    You get nothing at all. Well if you have taijutsu as specialty and hasn't learned Kaitos taijutsu you get one point speed boost. If you learn Katios taijutsu restricted jutsus then you get one more point speed boost. But still that is counted as nothing really.
    Actually, you don't get nothing at all putting it like that makes it seem like there's no point in using taijutsu. When you specialize in taijutsu you gain +2 speed lvls, which can be quite helpful. It means your running speed would be +2 lvls faster then if you didn't specialize in taijutsu and for someone who actually likes close range combat it helps a bit.

    Additionally with a Taijutsu speciality you gain x1.2 to your reaction speed, which can be helpful if the fight ends up in arguements. Which honestly we all know that most fights end in "well I don't think you have a fast enough reaction speed to deal with my movements" etc. So all in all, the +2 speed lvls added with the x1.2 gain in reaction speed helps a bit.

    Example:

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    Speed Lvl: 6, Reaction Speed: 7.2

    Sanin Taijutu Specialist

    Speed Lvl: 8, Reaction Speed: 9.2

    so it easily adds a nice boost to speed and reactions. Just figured I'd give a more in depth answer.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Actually, you don't get nothing at all putting it like that makes it seem like there's no point in using taijutsu. When you specialize in taijutsu you gain +2 speed lvls, which can be quite helpful. It means your running speed would be +2 lvls faster then if you didn't specialize in taijutsu and for someone who actually likes close range combat it helps a bit.

    Additionally with a Taijutsu speciality you gain x1.2 to your reaction speed, which can be helpful if the fight ends up in arguements. Which honestly we all know that most fights end in "well I don't think you have a fast enough reaction speed to deal with my movements" etc. So all in all, the +2 speed lvls added with the x1.2 gain in reaction speed helps a bit.

    Example:

    Sannin

    Speed Lvl: 6, Reaction Speed: 7.2

    Sanin Taijutu Specialist

    Speed Lvl: 8, Reaction Speed: 9.2

    so it easily adds a nice boost to speed and reactions. Just figured I'd give a more in depth answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenstein View Post
    yeah like that. or like a wind/fire combination against water.
    It still all depends on the jutsu. Some things can't be combined with each other because of the description of it.
     
         
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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    Actually, you don't get nothing at all putting it like that makes it seem like there's no point in using taijutsu. When you specialize in taijutsu you gain +2 speed lvls, which can be quite helpful. It means your running speed would be +2 lvls faster then if you didn't specialize in taijutsu and for someone who actually likes close range combat it helps a bit.

    Additionally with a Taijutsu speciality you gain x1.2 to your reaction speed, which can be helpful if the fight ends up in arguements. Which honestly we all know that most fights end in "well I don't think you have a fast enough reaction speed to deal with my movements" etc. So all in all, the +2 speed lvls added with the x1.2 gain in reaction speed helps a bit.

    Example:

    Sannin

    Speed Lvl: 6, Reaction Speed: 7.2

    Sanin Taijutu Specialist

    Speed Lvl: 8, Reaction Speed: 9.2

    so it easily adds a nice boost to speed and reactions. Just figured I'd give a more in depth answer.
    then you don't have to know Kaito's tai for these?
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenstein View Post
    then you don't have to know Kaito's tai for these?
    Specialty no, but for Master yes you need restricted to have that extra boost but where it say specialty where Howard posted is what you get without restricted Katios taijutsu
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozenstein View Post
    then you don't have to know Kaito's tai for these?
    To be a Taijutsu specialist all you need is to have mastered basic taijutsu. To become a Taijutsu Master you have to master Kaito's Taijutsu along with the restricted.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Solf J. Kimblee View Post
    Specialty no, but for Master yes you need restricted to have that extra boost but where it say specialty where Howard posted is what you get without restricted Katios taijutsu
    Quote Originally Posted by Howard View Post
    To be a Taijutsu specialist all you need is to have mastered basic taijutsu. To become a Taijutsu Master you have to master Kaito's Taijutsu along with the restricted.
    oh cool. even tho I will forget it in 3.. 2.. 1..
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    How do you get out of Yamanaka techs? Disrupt the chakra flow right?
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by bobisacoolguy View Post
    How do you get out of Yamanaka techs? Disrupt the chakra flow right?
    To be honest with you, there is no real way of getting out of their techniques. They are OP to some degree.
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    Quote Originally Posted by Typhon View Post
    My interpretation of the time-frame rules was that it is a safeguard against meta-gaming. Basically you can't act on knowledge your character doesn't yet know.

    Example:

    Opponent A begins hand seals for an earth technique.

    Opponent B starts hand seals for a lightning technique before the earth technique begins.

    That's breaking time frame because you're beginning a counter to a technique that you don't yet know is being used.

    But lets say:

    Opponent A begins a series of hand seals

    Opponent B (a samurai) uses Iado to interrupt the hand seals.

    That wouldn't be breaking the time frame, as the purpose of Iado is to stop hand seals from being used. You're using Iado in response to seeing hand seals, regardless of what those hand seals are being used for. Therefore you're not acting on knowledge your character doesn't yet have.

    ---------------


    The example of "SO I am to just stand there while my opponent performs 20 hand seals. That's bs." can be viewed like this:

    Your character doesn't know how many hand seals the technique your opponent is using takes. For all he knows its going to stop on the fifth, tenth or first hand seal. You trying to interrupt their hand seals because they're using a technique that takes 20 hand seals, is acting on knowledge your character doesn't have.
    I understand now so what happens when I have a sharingan which tracks and copies hand seals wouldn't I recognize it just like kakashi vs zabuza?
     
         

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    Re: Q&a - open for every rank!

    If we are using Chakra Damage, why not use Health Damage? As for free-form countering, subtract the Jutsu Damage from your health bar. You can dodge Jutsu free-form, but the maximum number of Jutsu you counter is reflected back on your health, something like that, I don't know. We still have the time-frame rule, but some slight changes. Like someone said. I forgot, but credits to you.
     
         

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