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    Something about Hinata

    This is not a troll thread nor a bash thread.

    I've been discussing with a friend and it never crossed my mind about Hinata's position in the Hyuga Clan after losing to Hanabi and losing the right to become the heiress.

    So according to Hiashi he didn't care about Hinata dying as a shinobi. He obviously badmouthed her and held a grudge against her.

    But yet again Hinata was in the same place, listening to the conversation. So I'm assuming she was still sleeping and eating there as well. But according to Hiashi Hinata's existence was only a burden to the clan (according to the viz scans).

    And don't forget Neji beating her up/ almost killing her. It didn't seem like he had to deal with any consequences on laying his hand on a member of the head family.

    So my question is: Was Part 1Hinata still a member of the head family? If so what was her position in the family given the fact that a branch member almost killed her and no consequences were dealt with?

    kindly reminding everyone that this is not a bash thread so anything that goes off topic or is considered bashing won't be tolerated.
     
         
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    Re: Something about Hinata

    If Hinata was a male she would get a Huyga seal because she lost to Hanabi she would no longer be part of main family (just like Hizashi) , but that was not common for females in Japan.

    So yes she was still part of main house. At least thats how I see it.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    She was a member, as pointed out over and over again in practically every data book, just neglected, ignored, and disdained by Hiashi.

    And no one is going to accuse you of trolling/bashing since unlike certain others, you are reasonable.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Hinata lived and ate at the main house, but was not part of it that is made evident when Hinata is sent away to become a Genin where she could die and is called superflous to the clan. Her existence held no weight to the Head house and neither would her death bring the Head house down.

    There are databooks which confirm Hinata was born to the Head house which obviously she was.

    Did she hold the same position as head house members? No. Head house memebrs don't get sent out to die instead the branch house memebrs do that on behalf of the Head house.

    Was she trained by the Head house to show her relationship to it? No instead a Branch house member was trained this shows she held an inferior position to even the branch house. It was the branch house member who trained her instead largely out of guilt for nearly killing her.

    Was she allowed to bring tea like a servant to serve the Head house and branch house members ? Yes she was the manga showed this.
     
         
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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by salamander uchiha View Post
    Hinata lived and ate at the main house, but was not part of it that is made evident when Hinata is sent away to become a Genin where she could die. Her existence held no weight to the Head house.
    Hanabi and Hiashi were genins at one point too
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Hyuga value DNA more than actual feats, Hinata is and always will be a part of the main branch, Neji was the real issue since his talent made him the true heir to the clan.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    It makes sense Hinata was kicked out of her position and belittled in a sense because Hiashi had to deny her every birth right she had. If Hinata was stronger she could have held her position as the leader of the Hyuuga clan.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Made in Heaven View Post
    Hanabi and Hiashi were genins at one point too
    Genin is a rank in no way it implies they went and did what Hinata did. I'm not trying to bash Hinata I'm calling a spade a spade.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    She was still the daughter of the clan chief.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    1. Discarding Hinata was discarding her from future training into the line of ascension.

    He went and began to exclusively tutor Hanabi instead and Hinata was placed into the academy.

    2. Part 1 of the first stage Chunin Exams fights had her in this discarded line of ascension which meant that he didn't care if she died in combat... the Chunin exams enter that fold since it is under official ninja jurisdiction.


    3. She was still part of the main branch but like other main branch members that were not inline for inheritance she instead participated in ninja mission, and jobs (Like all those Jounin Hyugas we saw).


    4. After Naruto defeated Neji, Hiashi began to have a change of heart. Near the end of part 1 you see Hiashi is also talking to Hinata as well as training Neji.

    Something he didn't do prior to the academy-Chunin exams time space.

    5. Eventually she was back in good terms with her Father, especially during the war arc as he stated he was proud of her and Neji standing side by side in combat.



    Hinata could've likely later asked to be part of the clan's inheritance/head, and likely she was also again a candidate post the war as people started calling her heiress again (in that Akamaru and Kiba oneshot).

    But Hinata's goal wasn't that and eventually married outside of the clan.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by salamander uchiha View Post
    Genin is a rank in no way it implies they went and did what Hinata did. I'm not trying to bash Hinata I'm calling a spade a spade.
    Yes it does. If you're a ninja, you go on missions. Simple as that.

    Did she hold the same position as head house members? No.
    She was learning main family techniques like TLF and 64 Palms, so you're wrong.

    Head house memebrs don't get sent out to die instead the branch house memebrs do that on behalf of the Head house.
    Never once is this ever said, and Hiashi and Hinata fighting in the war proves this wrong.

    Was she trained by the Head house to show her relationship to it?
    Yes, as said in The Last novel.

    Tall puppet shinobi with their faces wrapped in bandages, along with their subordinates, swooped down on her. She fought them with the gentle fist technique that her father Hiashi had taught her. She read the flow of chakra with her byakugan, and struck with her fists and palms. However, she suddenly no longer had the freedom to control her body. Toneri had at some point shown up behind her.
    http://honyakusha-eri.tumblr.com/pos...apter-3-part-4

    Also, Neji obviously wasn't the one teaching her TLF when he didn't know it.

    No instead a Branch house member was trained
    Not every main member is trained by Hiashi, they can train between families.

    this shows she held an inferior position to even the branch house.
    Neji refers to her as "sama" and she is called a member of the main family, so you're wrong.

    It was the branch house member who trained her instead largely out of guilt.
    Neji may have felt guilty for what he did to Hinata, but training her was not a result of that guilt.

    Was she allowed to bring tea like a servant to serve the Head house and beach house members ? Yes she was the manga showed this.
    Hinata did that out of her own care for Neji/Hiashi, since she is shown offering it to them.
     
         
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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Reviewing Logic View Post
    1. Discarding Hinata was discarding her from future training into the line of ascension.

    He went and began to exclusively tutor Hanabi instead and Hinata was placed into the academy.

    2. Part 1 of the first stage Chunin Exams fights had her in this discarded line of ascension which meant that he didn't care if she died in combat... the Chunin exams enter that fold since it is under official ninja jurisdiction.


    3. She was still part of the main branch but like other main branch members that were not inline for inheritance she instead participated in ninja mission, and jobs (Like all those Jounin Hyugas we saw).


    4. After Naruto defeated Neji, Hiashi began to have a change of heart. Near the end of part 1 you see Hiashi is also talking to Hinata as well as training Neji.

    Something he didn't do prior to the academy-Chunin exams time space.

    5. Eventually she was back in good terms with her Father, especially during the war arc as he stated he was proud of her and Neji standing side by side in combat.



    Hinata could've likely later asked to be part of the clan's inheritance/head, and likely she was also again a candidate post the war as people started calling her heiress again (in that Akamaru and Kiba oneshot).

    But Hinata's goal wasn't that and eventually married outside of the clan.
    Are you trying to blame Hinata's progression because of her father. That's pretty low considering the fact Neji was able to train himself to become the best, theres no reason Hinata couldnt try.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    She is byakugan princess accredited by Hamura and moon Otsutsuki clan. Later Hyuga princess by citizen of Konoha.Hiashi opinion in part 1 doesn't give a crap.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubious View Post
    Neji was able to train himself to become the best, theres no reason Hinata couldnt try.
    Neji even shocked Hiashi, Kakashi, and hiruzen with his talent, so no.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Still a member of the Main family, but as far as we know she ain't got no roles. I'm not even sure what other main branch members even do, not including the leader and heir.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Reviewing Logic View Post
    1. Discarding Hinata was discarding her from future training into the line of ascension.

    He went and began to exclusively tutor Hanabi instead and Hinata was placed into the academy.

    2. Part 1 of the first stage Chunin Exams fights had her in this discarded line of ascension which meant that he didn't care if she died in combat... the Chunin exams enter that fold since it is under official ninja jurisdiction.


    3. She was still part of the main branch but like other main branch members that were not inline for inheritance she instead participated in ninja mission, and jobs (Like all those Jounin Hyugas we saw).
    She was called superflous to the clan not just the main branch and was sent off to be a Genin and go on missions where her life was in danger and she could die. I've not heard of other Head house members doing the same. I know the branch house would serve and be used to ensure the Head house was protected.

    4. After Naruto defeated Neji, Hiashi began to have a change of heart. Near the end of part 1 you see Hiashi is also talking to Hinata as well as training Neji.

    Something he didn't do prior to the academy-Chunin exams time space.
    He didn't talk to her it didn't happen.

    5. Eventually she was back in good terms with her Father, especially during the war arc as he stated he was proud of her and Neji standing side by side in combat.
    I must've missed him being proud of her.


    Hinata could've likely later asked to be part of the clan's inheritance/head, and likely she was also again a candidate post the war as people started calling her heiress again (in that Akamaru and Kiba oneshot).
    The first part is fanfic and the part about her being heiress or assumed heiress is mistranslation.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Made in Heaven View Post
    Neji even shocked Hiashi, Kakashi, and hiruzen with his talent, so no.


    Are you trying to say Hinata is so strong and important after all despite her genetics. ?
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Made in Heaven View Post
    - fanfic and speculation-
    I was expecting canon proofs for all of that not fanfic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubious View Post


    Are you trying to say Hinata is so strong and important after all despite her genetics. ?
    Damn bro did you just solo her low diff with common sense.
     
         

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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Kirin The Dragon Sage View Post
    She is byakugan princess accredited by Hamura and moon Otsutsuki clan. Later Hyuga princess by citizen of Konoha.Hiashi opinion in part 1 doesn't give a crap.
    Said this in another thread, but it's pretty pathetic that these people resort to bastardizing Hiashi into this uncharacteristic vortex of hate to Hinata when he is no longer anything like he was in the past, as shown in the end of part 1, during the war where he praises Hinata as much as Neji, The Last where he is worried about Hinata/Hanabi, and later confirmed again by Hinata herself on Part 3 about how much he has changed.

    But anything will do to bash Hinata, including ignoring new developments.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubious View Post
    Are you trying to say Hinata is so strong and important after all despite her genetics. ?
    I'm saying Neji is more talented than her or any other Hyuga for his age, including Hiashi. Also, from the way you argued, you're saying Hinata should have trained herself to become strong, something not even Sasuke, another person labelled a genius like Neji, managed.
     
         
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    Re: Something about Hinata

    Quote Originally Posted by Dubious View Post
    Are you trying to say the Byakugan princess is not so strong or important afterall.

    Neji being a genius and surprising Hiashi, Kakashi and The Third Hokage; somehow equals to LB saying Hinata is not strong and/or important. How did you come to that conclusion?
     
         

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