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      Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Could people please stop giving clan feats in relation to Sasuke,Naruto,Madara and Hashirama?

      The manga clearly shows us their powers come from Indra / Ashura which ultimately "Boost" the capacity and capabilities they can acheive.



      Naruto's chakra and strengths aren't a Uzumaki trait. It's an Ashura trait that amplifies whatever clan traits he has.

      Sasuke's chakra and strength aren't an Uchiha trait. It's an Indra trait that amplifies whatever his clan abilities are.



      If Shikimaru and Lee were Indra and Ashura trans-migrants their clan abilities would be insanely powerful as well. But that does not mean the ENTIRE clan can achieve said feats.

      Thoughts?
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Except in Sasuke's case Itachi would fodder stomp him before his EMS/Rinnegan. Shisui was also pretty OP, then there's Obito and his abilities they look like overall clan feats to me.

      In the case of Naruto his feats are largely Kurama Jin feats not Ashura feats or Uzumaki feats.

      Ps. I've never heard anybody give Madara or Hashirama feats to the clan, they were definitely on another level.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      You both must re-read the manga. It was stated several times that Naruto inherited big chakra pool from his mother.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by take it easy View Post
      You both must re-read the manga. It was stated several times that Naruto inherited big chakra pool from his mother.
      No it wasnt, it was stated Naruto inherited special chakra from his mother the same chakra that allowed him to house the 9 tails.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by salamander uchiha View Post
      No it wasnt, it was stated Naruto inherited special chakra from his mother the same chakra that allowed him to house the 9 tails.
      Yes it was.
      All known Uzumaki have big chakra pool along with special chakra. Kakashi who himself had above average chakra reserves said that genin Naruto had 4 times more chakra than him. And it was when he couldnt use fox chakra because of oros seal.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Naruto never had large reserves. This clan BS is being taken too far. Nine Tails chakra melded with him from birth as Minato's plan. He inherited Kushina's special chakra which made him compatible with the Nine Tails. Naruto always recieved the Kyuubi's chakra into him slowly seeping through. The whiskers only appear when his emotions are merged with the Nine tails which is a mass of hate which consumes the vessel it's in. He always had Kyuubi's Stamina. Stamina's being converted into Chakra. And Kyuubi's regular chakra. He had two ways from he got Kyuubi's gifts.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by take it easy View Post
      Yes it was.
      All known Uzumaki have big chakra pool along with special chakra. Kakashi who himself had above average chakra reserves said that genin Naruto had 4 times more chakra than him. And it was when he couldnt use fox chakra because of oros seal.
      Oro's seal was bypassed whem his emotions mingled with the Nine tails and broke the Oro's seal. Stop with the singled out reading.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by Uverdore9 View Post
      Oro's seal was bypassed whem his emotions mingled with the Nine tails and broke the Oro's seal. Stop with the singled out reading.
      Nope. Jirayia removed the seal.
       
           

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      Quote Originally Posted by take it easy View Post
      Yes it was.
      All known Uzumaki have big chakra pool along with special chakra. Kakashi who himself had above average chakra reserves said that genin Naruto had 4 times more chakra than him. And it was when he couldnt use fox chakra because of oros seal.
      The scan confirms it'sstill mixing only in an unstable way.

      Not true at all your reaching, Naruto has always been receiving chakra his whole life to became a part of his reserves. That is sperate from the Kyubi cloak chakra. Also Kakashi made reference to the root/origin of Naruto's large stamina/chakra being the 9 tails and that's in early part 1. Oro's seal didn't seal the chakra it interferred in the mixing process. You cant use a reach to justify something non existent. Canon is Naruto has Kushina's special chakra so he can handle the Kyubi's chakra. Even Kushina claimed her's wasn't normal for the clan bu was special. As for everything else Naruto's heavily dependant on the 9 tails.
       
           
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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by take it easy View Post
      Nope. Jirayia removed the seal.
      It'd have been either way whether Jiraiya chose to do it/not. Just like how the Tetragram Seal was broken by Kyuubi with emotional outbreak placed by Minato.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      By this logic though, wouldn't Naruto have done better or at least equal to Kushina when Kurama was removed considering she had full Kurama yanked from her but she was still conscious and could even execute Jutsu while Naruto only had half taken and he was closer to death than she was in the early stages?

      And also, if Itachi was the trans-migrant, i don't think it'll be far fetched to presume he would have done better than Sasuke?

      Imo, what we saw outside of Six paths related stuff (large chakra reserves with Naruto and Uchiha stuff with Sasuke) are traits that can be achieved/reached by other members of their clans.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Sasuke doesn't have the mangekyo sharingan because of Uchiha traits it's because of Indra.

      Naruto doesn't have uzamaki longevity like his mother (manga) said, it's because of Ashura

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      Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Tobi View Post
      Sasuke doesn't have the mangekyo sharingan because of Uchiha traits it's because of Indra.

      Naruto doesn't have uzamaki longevity like his mother (manga) said, it's because of Ashura

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      It' s because of Ashura that he has way less vitality than his mother?

      OT:I agree.
       
           

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      I agree.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by davidou View Post
      It' s because of Ashura that he has way less vitality than his mother?

      OT:I agree.
      According to Op, Ashura is the one responsible not his mother. I didn't say that his vitality is any less than what it is.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      There's Ashura Indra arc in the anime make sure to watch it to understand them more
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by take it easy View Post
      You both must re-read the manga. It was stated several times that Naruto inherited big chakra pool from his mother.
      So you gonna completely ignore the manga where Kushina said she had a strong chakra and Kurama saying Naruto inherited it.
       
           

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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by Jinrou View Post
      By this logic though, wouldn't Naruto have done better or at least equal to Kushina when Kurama was removed considering she had full Kurama yanked from her but she was still conscious and could even execute Jutsu while Naruto only had half taken and he was closer to death than she was in the early stages?

      And also, if Itachi was the trans-migrant, i don't think it'll be far fetched to presume he would have done better than Sasuke?

      Imo, what we saw outside of Six paths related stuff (large chakra reserves with Naruto and Uchiha stuff with Sasuke) are traits that can be achieved/reached by other members of their clans.
      so you are comparing condition of tired naruto, who was fighting with kage level shinobis for 2 consecutive days (without any pause), with the condition of healthy kushina? hmm makes sense.

      It has been pointed out by numerous shinobis at multiple occasions that Naruto had exceptionally huge chakra reserves.
      For your information, Naruto could create thousands of clones with his base chakra and that was part 1 genin naruto who had poor chakra control.



      For those who is in denial "Ignorance is bliss" It's 2018 and people are still ignorant af.
      Next time, try to read manga instead of pulling ideas out of ass, Thanks.
       
           
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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      then explain all the other failure https://narutobase.net/manga/Naruto/670/19/

      thier were alot of others

      only (hash and madara) and naruto and sasuke are worth noting.
       
           
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      Re: Indra and Ashura incarnates

      Quote Originally Posted by Mellanoma View Post
      Could people please stop giving clan feats in relation to Sasuke,Naruto,Madara and Hashirama?

      The manga clearly shows us their powers come from Indra / Ashura which ultimately "Boost" the capacity and capabilities they can acheive.



      Naruto's chakra and strengths aren't a Uzumaki trait. It's an Ashura trait that amplifies whatever clan traits he has.

      Sasuke's chakra and strength aren't an Uchiha trait. It's an Indra trait that amplifies whatever his clan abilities are.



      If Shikimaru and Lee were Indra and Ashura trans-migrants their clan abilities would be insanely powerful as well. But that does not mean the ENTIRE clan can achieve said feats.

      Thoughts?
      This is wrong. Being an Indra or Asura incarnate promises nothing. Obito Uchiha is not an incarnate and is probably the scariest Uchiha to ever come out of a womb with both of his eyes put together. Shisui's eyes are beyond dangerous and Itachi's abilities are legendary. Incarnation promises very little.

      The only worthwhile Incarnation one can be of is Indra's reincarnate, and even then the benefits only work if you're an Uchiha and implant Senju cells, and even then Madara only awoke his Rinnegan during his old age.

      Sasuke's growth seems normal for an Uchiha that's seeking power. Nothing about it screams "unique" or "incarnation". His own non-incarnate brother was 5x as skilled as him.

      Naruto himself was garbage and has been most of his life. His taijutsu, weapon skills, all of that was subpar at best, forcing him to rely on shadow clones that only worked with his reserves granted to him by the nine-tails. Being an incarnate didn't save him at all.
       
           

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