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    The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Madara had to reverse the edo jutsu to break it. And this is a Madara “better than he was in his prime.”

    Hashirama could break it at will without weaving a single sign. And this is a Hashirama “close to his original strength.”

    So you basically have a 150% Madara who couldn’t even break edo at will

    And a 85-90% Hashirama who can with ease.




    Idk why ppl keep thinking Madara was close or, even more ridiculous, more powerful than Hashirama.

    Like Naruto, Hashirama was prolly just trying to save Madara during their VOTE fight and got fed up with trying to convert him, and just ended him after a while
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Post this BS reading of the manga in the fanfic section.

    Ps. Hashirama couldnt break Edo Tensei he could only resist Orochimaru's binding their movements.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Nothing but facts ^salty as always.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Hashirama actually just resisted it while Madara outright negated it. I'm sure though that if Hashi was returning to the afterlife like Madara was too, he could've canceled it himself.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by SumnNarutoRelated View Post
    Madara had to reverse the edo jutsu to break it. And this is a Madara “better than he was in his prime.”

    Hashirama could break it at will without weaving a single sign. And this is a Hashirama “close to his original strength.”

    So you basically have a 150% Madara who couldn’t even break edo at will

    And a 85-90% Hashirama who can with ease.




    Idk why ppl keep thinking Madara was close or, even more ridiculous, more powerful than Hashirama.

    Like Naruto, Hashirama was prolly just trying to save Madara during their VOTE fight and got fed up with trying to convert him, and just ended him after a while
    Hashirama never said that he can break edo tensei's control. Also Rinnegan>>>Hashirama so i don't know why you think Hashirama is stronger.
     
         
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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Only Itachi factually resisted Edo Tensei completely. The only reason Hashirama was capable of resisting the binding was because Orochimaru was strengthening it with Hashi's cells.



    Kabuto knows about Shisui and Kotoamatsukami yet gives credit to defying ET to Itachi.


    Defying is not equal to Breaking.

    KA doesn't give you the ability to "defy" ET as far as I know.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    I'm not sure Hashirama ever broke it, I think he broke the users control over it but not the actual jutsu.
    Or do you mean Madara broke free of the control? I don't remember him doing that, maybe he could have if he wanted too.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Uverdore9 View Post
    Only Itachi factually resisted Edo Tensei completely. The only reason Hashirama was capable of resisting the binding was because Orochimaru was strengthening it with Hashi's cells.



    Kabuto knows about Shisui and Kotoamatsukami yet gives credit to defying ET to Itachi.


    Defying is not equal to Breaking.

    KA doesn't give you the ability to "defy" ET as far as I know.
    Lmfao KA completely controls the mind of the victim without their knowledge. It cancelled out Kabuto’s will over Itachi and controlled Itachi to “Protect the leaf village.”

    TLDR: Itachi didn’t defy it at all.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Guntah View Post
    Hashirama actually just resisted it while Madara outright negated it. I'm sure though that if Hashi was returning to the afterlife like Madara was too, he could've canceled it himself.
    Hashirama could move about freely. All he needed was to know the Hand-seals and he could do what Madara did. Madara Could only do what he did because he was freed from Kabuto's control when Itachi made Kabuto undo the Jutsu...Same as Dan using his Jutsu to go help Tsunade.

     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Animegoin View Post
    Lmfao KA completely controls the mind of the victim without their knowledge. It cancelled out Kabuto’s will over Itachi and controlled Itachi to “Protect the leaf village.”

    TLDR: Itachi didn’t defy it at all.
    Why doesnt kabuto give credit to KA?
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Uverdore9 View Post
    Why doesnt kabuto give credit to KA?
    Because Kabuto wouldn't know all the details the readers were given. It was really just luck.

    Also the author is obviously an Itachi fan so that may have contributed.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by salamander uchiha View Post
    Post this BS reading of the manga in the fanfic section.

    Ps. Hashirama couldnt break Edo Tensei he could only resist Orochimaru's binding their movements.
    then Madara should've just broke the bind. He couldn't
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Rikudou Tobi View Post
    Hashirama never said that he can break edo tensei's control. Also Rinnegan>>>Hashirama so i don't know why you think Hashirama is stronger.
    I just listed exactly WHY in the OP.

    Quote Originally Posted by sdkljfsdjnsjnoids View Post
    I'm not sure Hashirama ever broke it, I think he broke the users control over it but not the actual jutsu.
    Or do you mean Madara broke free of the control? I don't remember him doing that, maybe he could have if he wanted too.
    Nah i think if Madara could, eh would've
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by SumnNarutoRelated View Post
    then Madara should've just broke the bind. He couldn't
    Madara was never under any bind or restriction so what would he break?


    Quote Originally Posted by ninjarasengan View Post
    Hashirama could move about freely. All he needed was to know the Hand-seals and he could do what Madara did. Madara Could only do what he did because he was freed from Kabuto's control when Itachi made Kabuto undo the Jutsu...Same as Dan using his Jutsu to go help Tsunade.

    @bold:That's absolute BS Madara was never under Kabuto’s control he was doing what he was of his own free will. You should put this in the fanfic secton.
     
         
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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Well Hashirama was always stronger than Madara so its no surprise that he could break out of the Edo Tensei at will.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Uverdore9 View Post
    Why doesnt kabuto give credit to KA?
    Lmfao because it was blatantly obvious Itachi’s mangekyou sharingan triggered his crow to spew from Naruto’s mouth, cast KOTO and erase Kabuto’s will. Itachi literally explains what happened afterwards. If we have to explain this to you, you probably shouldn’t be contributing.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by SumnNarutoRelated View Post
    I just listed exactly WHY in the OP.
    1)Hashirama was never able to break edo tensei at will.

    2) He was able to not be affected by the restraints because Orochimaru was using his cells. How are you going to restrain hashirama with hashirama cells?

    3) Restraint and Kai releasing edo tensei are two separate things because Dsm Kabuto never tried restrain Madara when he summoned him, he just let him run wild.

    4) You gave no reason on “WHY”
     
         
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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    More Chakra =/= More powerful.

    Hashirama just had more chakra. While Madara was better.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Animegoin View Post
    Lmfao because it was blatantly obvious Itachi’s mangekyou sharingan triggered his crow to spew from Naruto’s mouth, cast KOTO and erase Kabuto’s will. Itachi literally explains what happened afterwards. If we have to explain this to you, you probably shouldn’t be contributing.
    That's not how it works.


    Itachi sealed amaterasu in sasuke's eye, did sasuke get credit for casting amaterasu?


    No. Itachi did.



    Use same logic here.
     
         

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    Re: The difference between Madara and Hashirama

    Quote Originally Posted by Uverdore9 View Post
    That's not how it works.


    Itachi sealed amaterasu in sasuke's eye, did sasuke get credit for casting amaterasu?


    No. Itachi did.



    Use same logic here.
    Lmfao no, you dunce. It doesn’t work like that; Itachi planted it on Naruto so it could be used on Sasuke; not on himself. Using your logic, you’re trying to make it that Itachi performed a miraculous feat by defying Kabuto’s will over Edo Tensei by his own will power. It wasn’t his power at all, it was Shisui’s power that broke it. Go to sleep.
     
         

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