Re: The reason the Leaf gave up Hizashi Hyuga
Nice job on the databooks as too many people have made this claim as fact without backing it up. Here BigTDog said it was his educated opinion (in his case, that's sufficient for me), but now he has the databook to make it fact. Isthatnecessary cracked it pretty wide with the manga that must've had electronic dust on it for me.
Originally Posted by psukkar
I'd rep you guys if I could, but even though I spread rep, I still can't rep you yet. Kind of a weird system, though I understand why it's designed that way. At least this way, you know it's rep worthy, and I'll get you later, even though you might get repped for a one word post (it's meant for this one, and I'll leave a comment).
Does the databook list a reason for the ranking, or does it just list a number and/or number? The reason I ask is that we've witnessed so much of the Leaf that it's hard to assess the cloud until recently, and even then information has not been very reliable.
I think that this is primarily due to their diversity of clans (Aburame, Nara, Sarutobi, etc.) to be quite honest. From what we've seen of the cloud in the 4th ninja war, they aren't as diverse in their abilities, lots of lightning and sword abilities.
Also the raikage mentioned recently why konoha was very hard to defeat, because they were very tacticky hard to break down.
As well, Shikaku and Inoichi would have been closer to their primes, and their currently devising the strategies for all 5 nations. That intelligence is a resource that can always compensate for strength (sans a perfect 8-tails maybe if Bee was that then), like Hidan (He was weak, hell a joke, but Shikamaru had a perfect strategy that could not deviate a single bit as well as taking out 1 of Kakuzu's 5 hearts) and Nagato went down because of his secrets being exposed (I know about the story book...).
The only person Madara intentionally tried to kill with Gedo Mazo was Shikamaru because he supra-intelligently broke down on the fly what Madara was doing, not because his shadow weaves could rip open an island.
I think the Aburame clan would be very useful in assisting in a matchup against the Raikage based on going back to when Tobi was stalling and Shino was attacking because his attacks aren't focused but are widespread for that type of opponent. Unless the Raikage was like a superfast bug lamp, lol.
However, the Raikage seems like a very difficult person to deal with if Bee is going to be his body guard, so a lot hinges on how the Cloud uses Bee. If the Leaf were to win this, they would have to separate them somehow. There's no other way. I believe there are multiple ways to do this. First, Hiruzen (Enma's diamond form is going to be key to his survival) alone would draw the Raikage, causing an opening. Then the next paragraph, where clans like Chouji's and Fuuinjutsu might work.
If they separated them, I believe they can at the least make the war losses unacceptable for the Cloud. Chouji was able to do his Kunai bowling ball into a 6-tails KinKaku, so the Leaf has resources to contain him unless he has mastery of the TB II mode. Then he's just firing off TBB's, and Hiruzen has to used the DRS on him unless they have some other less self-sacrificing Fuuinjutsu like a barrier jutsu that would work. Given their previous affiliation with the Uzumaki, this seems possible.
Darui at that point I think is weaker than Kakashi despite his black lightning and Storm release, due to age and experience primarily. Of course, this is speculation, but Kakashi was in the 3rd ninja war with distinction and has his Sharingan at at least 2 tomoes (Obito's started at 2), possibly 3. He may only have 500 jutsu at this point, but I think he's OK, lol.
In the end, I still think the product will be a stalemate, such that it would be too costly for either side to win or lose. It's an interesting thread BigTDog and fresh (I'm happy to not be talking about which is faster Minato or anything), and I'm glad I've been refreshed on some good facts from Psukkar and Isthatnecessary as they've been useful and they'll be useful down the road.