Re: The reason the Leaf gave up Hizashi Hyuga
I thought I did. I forgot about the 2-tails, by the way. At the time though, the KinGin brothers would be dead. Personally I think the Cloud may have more members at the top but they seem to lack depth and diversity (part of that is the story following the Leaf not the Cloud, so we're biased). As well the Leaf have Shikaku and Inoichi such that I think strategy and clan diversity can trump power. Something doesn't add up to me as to why there wasn't a war. I wrote more at the end on this specifically, but the ball was in the Cloud's court on whether to go to war and they declined, so I wonder why.
Originally Posted by psukkar
A lot, if not it all, depends on the Cloud's and Leaf's strategies. If A and Bee come together, it's a major problem, separated it's possible. Really, the Leaf are the best suited to fight Jinchuuriki I would think due to their prior relations with the Uzumaki and their Fuuinjutsu.
Ultimately, war is prohibitively costly to both sides, so I don't see either side finishing the war. I see it ending in a stalemate and peace treaty, which the Cloud obviously has no respect for based on prior actions. Neither side has a game breaker like Minato was in the 3rd war. There's the Jinchuuriki, but they can be contained; otherwise, why would the Cloud not go to war? They have to have had a reason. I don't think if they really wanted war that they would've been satisfied with a Hyuuga corpse with a destroyed Byakuugan.
Your post did an excellent job at illustrating the power of the Cloud and the Leaf's weakness's at that specific time.
What I don't get is if/why they ever thought that their plan to get Hinata would work since the Hyuuga compound is actively guarded by branch members with the Byakuugan and then main house members making it nearly impregnable to get Hinata and get out. Further, if they knew that would fail, why were they satisfied with a substitute Hiashi (it's not like Hiashi has gone into hiding, so they know they got ripped off, granted he may have for a short while) with a nonfunctional Byakuugan instead of war. If they were so much more powerful where they could go to war and win or draw, why not take a Byakuugan off a dead main house member as a spoil of war, like Ao in the Mist.
Thanks, I'll need to edit that.
Originally Posted by BigTDogg220
I messed up the timeline Itachi actually and the Uchiha. I forgot that at that point, 8 years prior to their coup de 'etat, they were all present. Itachi's genjutsu (no MS), Shisui's body flicker and mind control, then the rest.
If Jiraiya came there with his sage mode, he would be immensely helpful if for now other reason than he would command the Raikage's attention and freeing up Hiruzen. That's having two Kage level ninja on your side at once.
I apologize, I've been mixing up the timeline on this thread. Thus, @Anub, you make a sound argument, but my entire Itachi statement was wrong, and I've removed it. I wrote it when I was eating, not sure what that matters lol.